Well I have tried OEM with each release and while I always find a few things I like, the hassle I usually have getting it installed/configured etc...is almost never worth it. My own tools have been steadily advancing and I have never found a problem yet that I needed to go to OEM to get the answer. I will take another look I guess when I get a chance, I have seen the demos. Also I tend to work in a multiple environments across different projects/locations all at the same time, I am usually limited to ssh and sometimes tns. I may not have control over getting software etc..installed so I like to just unpack my tools, create a user and get to work. -----Original Message----- From: Spears, Brian [mailto:BSpears@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:54 PM To: Post, Ethan; stellr@xxxxxxxxxx Cc: oracle-l Subject: RE: A Challenge 10g oem does all this shee for me now.. I liked doing the coding for all that but I don't get to do it anymore here. The coding here would be I would grep my saved file and see when the number of lines hits my threshold then page... And then when the consecutive lines is interrupted I would send the clear page... That kind of idea anyways.. I love to code that stuff but in this shop we have lots of tools to do that now. Brian -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l