And while –silent is there for a reason, there is no such thing as interactive without large graphics. The actual data that really needs to go back and forth could be handled reasonably at 300 baud with a satellite latency in the middle of each turn around. THEN they decided they had to paint pictures. mwf From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas Roach Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 4:14 PM To: niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx Cc: Mark W. Farnham; Patrice Boivin; ORACLE-L Subject: Re: 11.2 dbua is slow Also sometimes the way X is redirected is slow. Meaning the latency in the network matters. I've found in these cases that using VNC and running all X locally on the server can be much faster. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Niall Litchfield <niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Mark W. Farnham <mwf@xxxxxxxx> wrote: (There IS something truly EVIL about a dba-tool that consumes resources on painting pretty pictures and marketing and has no option to skip the graphics. OUI, DBUA and DBCA however do not fit that description :) -silent is there for a reason http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/server.112/e23633/upgrade.htm#UPGRD12405 There are a number of things that can make an upgrade slow, of which of course slow remote graphics is one. Unfortunately I don't think we've been given enough information about where this upgrade was slow to guess accurately at the issue. https://blogs.oracle.com/upgrade/ (and especially the slide decks) are an excellent resource for upgrade issues (and indeed planning). Niall http://www.orawin.info