[optimal] Re: Vegetable Dye

  • From: Alan <alanfroh@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:19:25 -0500

It's made from fireflys...

Alan

William Anderson wrote:
Paula


WHAT, I thought it came from the Fluoreo tree that grows out in West Texas and 
in the mountains in Utah. I heard the way it was discovered was when the Glow 
Injuns were hunting Jacklopes at night under a blue moon after the Jacklopes 
had eaten berries off of the Fluoreo tree all day

Bill








Paula Morris <paula.morris@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 7/9/2010 2:07 PM >>>
Hey Sarah,

The rumor exists because it was stated to be a vegetable dye extracted from a 
plant resin first by Duke-Elder, and then by J Federman  in the Intravenous 
Fluorescein Angiography chapter in Duane's Clinical Ophthalmology, 1991.  That 
has since been corrected in more recent editions of Duane's.

Fluorescein's basic component is naphthalene (an extract from  the carbolic 
acid fraction of coal tar).  It is heated with mercury sulfate and copper 
sulfate to 400-500 degrees Celsius to become phthallic anhydride.  It is then 
heated with resorcinol to 200 degrees C. to become resorcinolphthalein, or 
fluorescein, which is highly insoluble.  When resorcinolphthalein is dissolved 
in sodium hydroxide solution, it becomes fluorescein sodium which is highly 
soluble and what we use in retinal angiography.

Why do I know this?  Because our own Joe Warnicki challenged me back in 1990 to research 
"Where Does Fluorescein Come From?"  That quest led me to research HJ Conn's 
biological Stains, the Merck index: An Encyclopedia of Chemicals, Drugs and Biologicals, 
Remington's Pharmaceutical Sciences, and Drug Facts and Comparisons.  Fluorescein Sodium is a 
synthetic dye assigned by the government to be called F,(food), D (drugs), & C(cosmetics) 
color yellow #8.  The F,D,C colors are only given to synthetic dyes.

So - it has a vegetable base if you want to harken back to pre-historic history 
as plants contributed to the formation of coal deposits, but more recently I 
think you could safely say it has a mineral source - naphthalene, ths tuff that 
makes moth balls stink.  Probably don't want to tell you patients 
that...............

And Thus endeth the chemistry lesson!

p

From: optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Sarah Moyer
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:06 AM
To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [optimal] Vegetable Dye

July is here and so are the new residents!  During a lecture/discussion about 
fluorescein sodium yesterday, we discussed how fluorescein sodium is a 
synthetic dye and NOT a vegetable dye.  One of them had already read/heard it 
was a vegetable dye.  He asked if there were ever ingredients in the dye that 
were vegetable based and if that is why this rumor exists.  Does anybody know 
why some people refer to it as a vegetable dye?

Thanks!

Sarah Moyer
University of North Carolina




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