Massachusetts and Rhode Island are very tight on this, require RN, or and MD to administer the drug. In New Hampshire the person has to have "Hospital" certification which means taking a phlebotomy course. I still feel having 2 people in the FA room is a good thing from a patient safety standpoint. Over 30+ years I have seen enough problems and have testified in a lawsuit involving Na F injection. Tom From: optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cavicchi, Robert Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:38 AM To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [optimal] Re: From Denice in SF Hi Beth, We do this all time at Joslin which is located in the very conservative state of Massachusetts. Our clinic has 3 fellows who are responsible for FA injections but if they have any trouble accessing a vein we call the "experts" in the Phlebotomy Lab upstairs. These guys are great and typically never let us down. The phlebotomists access the site(s) and the MD's do the push and it is usually works very well. We researched this with the various "power-that-be"/licensing boards and found that this is within the legal/ethical parameters of medical practice/care. The MD's make any/all notations pertaining to the procedure. Hope this helps, bob From: optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Beth Koch Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:53 PM To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [optimal] Re: From Denice in SF Go for the OCT-C next!! Hey question for all you out there, I have a tech in my practice that was a phlebotomist and when our Rn had a hard stick for an FA, the tech decided to insert the needle themselves but did not push. They called the Dr to push. In NY state the only people can push and inject FA dye would be nurses and drs. What is the professional consensus on this situation can a phlebotomist insert a needle that has a potential for accidental push of meds. If anyone is not sure, could you tell me where I can clarify this information? I don't believe the tech documented that they made the stick, only that the Dr did the push. Thank you for any help you can give, Beth Koch COT, ROUB bethkoch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:bethkoch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> bethkoch66@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bethkoch66@xxxxxxxxx> (716)908-4105 What we have done for ourselves, alone dies with us, What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.... ~Albert Pike ________________________________ From: optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 9:18 PM To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [optimal] Re: From Denice in SF Great going! A few more credentials, and you will have the whole alphabet covered. Wow! All our best, Alan and Diane On 8/30/2011 6:24 PM, CPMC Ophthalmic Diagnostic Center wrote: Just passed my CDOS exams. Yippee, glad that is behind me Anyone want some counsel, while it is fresh in my mind, if you are thinking about taking this test. D. Denice Barsness, CRA, COMT, ROUB, CDOS, FOPS Ophthalmic Diagnostic Center CPMC Department of Ophthalmology 2100 Webster Street Suite 212 San Francisco CA 94115 (415) 600-3937 FAX (415) 600-6563 -- Alan Frohlichstein 5633 Crain Street Morton Grove, Illinois 60053 847-965-7555 IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE: This message is intended for the use of the person to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, your use of this message for any purpose is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete the message and notify the sender so that we may correct our records.