John Further to my last email are you suggesting that when HD DVDs are finally released that everybody in the UK will be disadvantaged because their TVs will not be able to show the difference? That would be ridiculous. I would say no more disadvantaged than the average US household. What I expect to happen is a wholesale rush for HD displays everywhere and this is precisely why the resolution of displays are ramping up. Not because of ATSC transmissions in the US or anywhere else but because of the huge demand for higher quality that has occurred with DVD and will increase with HD DVD in the near future. Barry =20 -----Original Message----- From: Barry Wilkins=20 Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2005 4:55 p.m. To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: "we'll forever be stuck with by going ATSC" Craig Could you please clarify what you are talking about? Sets or Displays? John said DISPLAYS, you are quoting SETS. Most plasma/LCD displays are universal and as I have proven with at least ONE model outside the good old US, it can do HD as can many others. John's point was that all (including here) non HD countries are saddled with both non transmission of HD as well as inability via display to show HD. I understand people in Europe can receive HD via DBS from Belgium at 1050i. People with HD displays will see this as intended in HD. I feel there is a definite trend towards separate display and STB for various media, internationally. This makes complete sense as it is the most flexible for the end user. I would never consider buying a complete integrated TV/display unless the basic specification of the display is relatively future proof. They are still very expensive so why would you do otherwise? So Europeans including the UK can/will receive HD and have access to HD displays so what exactly is the "mess" John is talking about? Barry Wilkins =3D20 Remember, we are NOT talking about NTSC displays. A widescreen set = in=3D20 Europe is 576 lines and is typically scanned at double the PAL scan=3D20 rates. You might be surprised how close this is in performance to=3D20 MANY of the HD sets sold in the U.S. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Birkmaier [mailto:craig@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2005 7:57 a.m. To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: "we'll forever be stuck with by going ATSC" At 12:40 PM -0500 1/11/05, John Golitsis wrote: >The worse part is that virtually NONE of the widescreen displays on the >market in the UK are HD capable. Soooo...not only do you have to >subscribe to a 2nd service to get your HD, you have to buy ANOTHER new >display! > >Now that, my friends, is a mess. Or downconvert to your existing display. Remember, we are NOT talking about NTSC displays. A widescreen set = in=3D20 Europe is 576 lines and is typically scanned at double the PAL scan=3D20 rates. You might be surprised how close this is in performance to=3D20 MANY of the HD sets sold in the U.S. Regards Craig =3D20 =3D20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org=3D20 - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. =20 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org=20 - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.