I evidently lost the beginning of this mail trail, but here in the middle I would point out the following: Many untruthful things have been said by 8VSB and ATSC proponents. In one ATSC board meeting they discussed how bad things were going - the modulation system just did not work, and they KNEW IT. It was easier to kill any effective competition than it was to fix a broken system. To partially quote a lawyer from the team of lawyers that threatened my personal financial future if I continued to publicly question the technical capabilities of 8VSB - "oh, it works great, it works 75% of the time." 75%. Is there any digital communication system in the world for which we only tolerate 75% successful communication delivery? It's really simple folks, and all the graphs and talk about 1.5 or 2 or 3db difference in systems is a smoke screen. If you have echos, etc. in analog transmission, the picture usually stays locked, the sound continues, and our brains will erase the ghost and continue to watch the show. In the 75% 8VSB ATSC system, when it "fades" because of echo, you lose the sound or the picture, then because of the long GOPs of MPEG-2 it can take many seconds to make it all stable again. This is a TERRIBLE viewing experience. I would assert that the inside people that knew all along that ATSC would only work 75% of the time are the untruthful ones. When the digital cut over is completed, and the analog stations shut down, fewer people will be able to receive and WATCH free OTA TV than analog. People will vote with their feet, returning set-top boxes where the signals freeze right in the middle of the touchdown. People will switch to cable and satellite and free OTA will go bankrupt. Any way, why do I care about this - I am not a broadcaster or a manufacturer or a retailer or a program provider or anything - I am the guy that is called when terrible things happen. Forget the entertainment part of OTA television for a moment (who cares except that's what pays for it all). I CARE about emergency transmissions to people hiding in their basements. This has always been my only dog in the fight. The DVB implementation of COFDM was designed such that all receivers would automatically detect a change in the guard intervals and similar parameters of the signal. A broadcaster could transmit a routine high data rate signal on normal days, and with the flip of a switch punch through with a very, very rugged signal at lower data rates. In this mode, COFDM receivers in people's homes could receive images and audio and even IP traffic - first responders could actually receive bits while they drive to the horror, something that will NEVER happen with 8VSB. It is time for me to depart this list. In a couple of years, when the entire ATSC house of cards collapses, someone will have to come in and clean up the mess and come up with a digital television system for our nation that works 99.99% of the time, not 75% of the time. I hope we can build such a revised system before we REALLY have to NEED it. The nation had three days warning about Katrina, what do we do when we have 3 seconds warning? Too late then, way too late to get robust communications into each American home. I'll see some of you at NAB, until then, be well. Stephen Long, signing off. At 07:06 PM 3/23/2006 +0000, wrote: >Your premise -- and viewpoint -- are skewed. Could you list all the exampl= >es of untruthfulness in DTV? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.