[opendtv] Re: The tragedy of FireWire: Collaborative tech torpedoed by corporations
- From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 02:14:25 +0000
Craig Birkmaier wrote:
You are clearly out of your league here Bert!
As you continue to be, Craig. You've been in a roll lately!
The article I read placed much of the blame on Apple, actually.
Although for the most part, the only significant champion FireWire
EVER had was Apple. Much like Thunderbolt.
This is simply NOT TRUE.
Here we go, with Craig's arguments spiraling out of control again. This is what
the article said:
"The decision-makers in the Mac engineering and marketing groups refused to add
FireWire to the Mac. "Their argument was, 'Well, show us that it's being
adopted in the industry, and we'll put it in,'" explained Sirkin. It was their
technology, but they didn't want to be first to push it.
"At one point, FireWire was even canceled. The team frantically searched for a
new group to sponsor the project. Sirkin was impressed by the technology and
believed it could distinguish the Mac, so he agreed to take it under his wing
and market it to consumer electronics companies. He and evangelist Jonathan Zar
took it to Japan, where he'd built a strong contact base thanks to his prior
semiconductor technology jobs at Xerox PARC and Zoran Corporation."
It continues saying that most of the FireWire team left Apple. And then, when
FireWire did start to become adopted, read this carefully, Craig:
And in January 1999, even Apple finally started putting FireWire into its Macs.
Before this, you had to get a PCI expansion card to add FireWire connectivity.
Beginning of the end
Despite rising Mac sales, Apple's financial situation remained dire. The
company needed more income. After being informed of IBM's hundreds of millions
in yearly patent revenue, CEO Steve Jobs authorized a change in FireWire's
licensing policy. Apple would now charge a fee of $1 per port. (So if a device
has two ports, that's $2 per unit.)
The consumer electronics industry was outraged. They saw it as untenable and
unjustified. Intel sent its CTO to talk to Jobs about the change, but the
meeting went badly. Intel decided to withdraw its support for FireWire-to pull
the plug on efforts to build FireWire into its chipsets-and instead throw its
weight behind USB 2.0, which would have a maximum speed of 480 megabits a
second (more like 280, or 30 to 40 MB/s, in practice).
So tell us Craig, did the article put a lot of the blame on Apple, or not? For
what reason did Intel drop its support, Craig?
Looks to me like Thunderbolt is merging with USB, adopting the
That's about as far as it goes Bert.
And you're wrong again!
"What is the difference between Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C? Thunderbolt 3 is a
superset solution which includes USB 3.1 (10Gbps), and adds 40Gbps Thunderbolt
and DisplayPort 1.2 from a single USB-C port. This enables any dock, display,
or data device to connect to a Thunderbolt 3 port, fulfilling the promise of
the USB-C connector."
Superset, "includes USB 3.1," meaning that USB-C ports which support
Thunderbolt 3 ALSO support USB 3.1. Get it? That's what "superset" means,
Craig. The two are merging into one.
You're on a roll, like I said.
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