If I may, I believe that with: 1) video in digital form using good and free codecs, 2) the increase of bw and 3) availability of completely distributed p2p architectures , there will be nothing anybody can do to actually stop piracy. Also, I believe (HOPE!) when you discuss the possibility of embracing piracy (Tom/Bert at least), what you really mean is that there could be ways of doing the same thing legally.=20 Piracy itself should never be tolerated. If someone prefers to have its content distributed over BT rather than protect it and sell it in another way, this is not piracy - it's just another form of distribution - call it hyperdistribution, if you will - but not piracy. Finally, going back to the initial discussions on p2p and internet TV, what I believe to be fundamental is to find equally simple 1-2-3-click front-ends to get content in a legally and commercially viable way - something like what iTunes did for napster. That's the challenge. If there are legal p2p networks or not, dvds will continue to be ripped, tv tuners will continue to dump torrents directly to the web to cross the Atlantic - and that will happen independently of legal p2p networks. The pressure is just too much. In fact, the only thing that creating legal p2p networks may do, is to decrease piracy, by reducing the barrier between 1-2-3-click and dressing/going out/driving to get a dvd.=20 Then it will be (again) more a matter of moral/ethics than easier/faster/convenience. Currently, it's easier/faster/more convenient to go underground. It shouldn't be like that... Silvio > -----Original Message----- > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 > [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E > Sent: 25 May 2005 16:06 > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [opendtv] Re: The New Laws of Television >=20 >=20 > Tom Barry wrote: >=20 > > > The main thrust of his thesis was that piracy > > > had to be *welcomed*. In your thinking above, > > > instead, piracy would continue to be dreaded. > > > > And which one do you think is more likely. ;-) >=20 > Granted. I also didn't agree with his premise. It > takes a huge leap of faith to make your business > model dependent on fanatics buying the DVD boxed > sets just because "that's the thing to do." >=20 > > But Craig was basically talking about ways that a > > media product could be differentiated into > > different levels of service based upon both video > > quality and ad density. Like regular TV it would > > be possible to give away one tier of service and > > yet have a premium model where there are fewer (or > > no) ads, better picture, and less censorship. > > People would still pay for the premium service but > > for the free service it might be acceptable to > > embrace or at least tolerate "piracy" in order to > > gain the larger audience. >=20 > There are two problems with this: >=20 > 1. It's the same point Craig has made many many > times, and it does not respond or relate in any way > to the article's ideas. >=20 > 2. Once you have created a "premium" program stream, > *that's* the one the pirates will target. Not the > dumbed down version. So you end up being just as > vulnerable to piracy, or maybe even more so, than > producers and networks are today. >=20 > As things are today, the networks expect to make > money from the original ads, from some portion of the > monthly fees collected by umbillical services that > carry the content, from syndication, *and* from the > boxed sets. As opposed to depending only on the last > item as their source of revenue. >=20 > Perhaps, if the producer didn't need to depend on > networks to get his product out there, he could > make the same income by just selling the DVDs after > free Internet distribution/pirating? That would be > the relevant point to wonder about. >=20 > Bert >=20 > =20 > =20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >=20 > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration=20 > settings at FreeLists.org=20 >=20 > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with=20 > the word unsubscribe in the subject line. >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.