[opendtv] Re: Technology years

  • From: "Allen Le Roy Limberg" <allimberg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:22:40 -0500

The scuttlebutt was that Zenith would not raise its royalty per set for
including E-VSB if a licensee agreed to vote for E-VSB and to continue
paying royalty for term of E-VSB patents.  E. g., no increase in royalty,
but a time extension.

Struck me as an illegal tying arrangement.

Al Limberg

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dale Kelly" <dalekelly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: [opendtv] Re: Technology years


>
> Bert wrote:
> > Sorry, Craig, I have been listening. And what I heard is that while
> > E-VSB or A-VSB might be or soon be incorporated in ATSC, the doubt was
> > that any hardware that uses these would become available.
> >
> > This is very different from the ATSC refusing to write updated
> > standards.
>
> True, other than the final product is sometimes (sometimes not) watered
down
> to a point that has lost much of it's intended value.
>
> There was a rumor floated at the time EVSB was under consideration, that
it
> would extend the Zenith/LG 8VSB patent if adopted and used. I don't know
> anything about patent law but that seemed implausible to me at the time.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:01 AM
> > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [opendtv] Re: Technology years
> >
> >
> > Craig Birkmaier wrote:
> >
> > >> From my outsider's point of view, if broadcasters want
> > >> E-VSB or A-VSB to be implemented in hardware, it is
> > >> *entirely* up to them (cum their NAB) to make it happen.
> > >> I really am puzzled to see the finger pointing from
> > >> them. Hardware vendors react to demand for products.
> > >> Service providers create that demand.
> > >
> > > Have you been listening Bert?
> > >
> > > The ATSC is largely run by CE companies, and a handful of
> > > broadcasters who really don't care if it is a success. I
> > > could have said something more pointed, but I'm trying to
> > > be polite...
> >
> > Sorry, Craig, I have been listening. And what I heard is that while
> > E-VSB or A-VSB might be or soon be incorporated in ATSC, the doubt was
> > that any hardware that uses these would become available.
> >
> > This is very different from the ATSC refusing to write updated
> > standards.
> >
> > So let's compare the ATSC with the IETF. The IETF is run by vendors and
> > service providers, and also academia. If a vendor or a service provider
> > comes up with a new scheme they want or need to implement, the
> > interested party or parties write an Internet Draft. This document is
> > reviewed by the applicable IETF working group(s), and if interest
> > exists, after a lot of back and forth and wordsmithing, it is published
> > as an RFC. Some RFCs are standards track and eventually become
> > standards. Others are classified informational or experimental.
> >
> > In what way is the ATSC different? If it takes more broadcaster support
> > to make the ATSC approve good ideas, then that's what it takes. Are
> > broadcasters who care about DTT expelled from the ATSC?
> >
> > E-VSB, for example, *is* now included in A/53. It's not like this hasn't
> > happened. As far as I can tell, the ATSC *did* its job to the extent it
> > should. I expect the same to happen with A-VSB. This is exactly the way
> > the IETF operates.
> >
> > Now it is up to the broadcasters to implement the new protocols. Of
> > course, they depend on the vendors to supply the hardware, but the two
> > go hand in hand.
> >
> > A perfect analogy in the Internet is IP Multicast. It has stagnated
> > forever. Not because RFCs aren't available, but because the SERVICE
> > PROVIDERS are not particularly keen on it.
> >
> > Bert
> >
> >
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