The scuttlebutt was that Zenith would not raise its royalty per set for including E-VSB if a licensee agreed to vote for E-VSB and to continue paying royalty for term of E-VSB patents. E. g., no increase in royalty, but a time extension. Struck me as an illegal tying arrangement. Al Limberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Kelly" <dalekelly@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: [opendtv] Re: Technology years > > Bert wrote: > > Sorry, Craig, I have been listening. And what I heard is that while > > E-VSB or A-VSB might be or soon be incorporated in ATSC, the doubt was > > that any hardware that uses these would become available. > > > > This is very different from the ATSC refusing to write updated > > standards. > > True, other than the final product is sometimes (sometimes not) watered down > to a point that has lost much of it's intended value. > > There was a rumor floated at the time EVSB was under consideration, that it > would extend the Zenith/LG 8VSB patent if adopted and used. I don't know > anything about patent law but that seemed implausible to me at the time. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:01 AM > > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [opendtv] Re: Technology years > > > > > > Craig Birkmaier wrote: > > > > >> From my outsider's point of view, if broadcasters want > > >> E-VSB or A-VSB to be implemented in hardware, it is > > >> *entirely* up to them (cum their NAB) to make it happen. > > >> I really am puzzled to see the finger pointing from > > >> them. Hardware vendors react to demand for products. > > >> Service providers create that demand. > > > > > > Have you been listening Bert? > > > > > > The ATSC is largely run by CE companies, and a handful of > > > broadcasters who really don't care if it is a success. I > > > could have said something more pointed, but I'm trying to > > > be polite... > > > > Sorry, Craig, I have been listening. And what I heard is that while > > E-VSB or A-VSB might be or soon be incorporated in ATSC, the doubt was > > that any hardware that uses these would become available. > > > > This is very different from the ATSC refusing to write updated > > standards. > > > > So let's compare the ATSC with the IETF. The IETF is run by vendors and > > service providers, and also academia. If a vendor or a service provider > > comes up with a new scheme they want or need to implement, the > > interested party or parties write an Internet Draft. This document is > > reviewed by the applicable IETF working group(s), and if interest > > exists, after a lot of back and forth and wordsmithing, it is published > > as an RFC. Some RFCs are standards track and eventually become > > standards. Others are classified informational or experimental. > > > > In what way is the ATSC different? If it takes more broadcaster support > > to make the ATSC approve good ideas, then that's what it takes. Are > > broadcasters who care about DTT expelled from the ATSC? > > > > E-VSB, for example, *is* now included in A/53. It's not like this hasn't > > happened. As far as I can tell, the ATSC *did* its job to the extent it > > should. I expect the same to happen with A-VSB. This is exactly the way > > the IETF operates. > > > > Now it is up to the broadcasters to implement the new protocols. Of > > course, they depend on the vendors to supply the hardware, but the two > > go hand in hand. > > > > A perfect analogy in the Internet is IP Multicast. It has stagnated > > forever. Not because RFCs aren't available, but because the SERVICE > > PROVIDERS are not particularly keen on it. > > > > Bert > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration > > settings at FreeLists.org > > > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the > > word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.