[opendtv] Re: TV Technology: CES 2017: LG Intros First ATSC 3.0 4KTVs
- From: Craig Birkmaier <brewmastercraig@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 07:02:56 -0500
On Jan 14, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Don't be absurd, Craig. Those who use OTA will care. Those who don't, won't.
OTA usage has gone up, not down, so more people care now that a few years
ago. Usage is up to close to 20%, so it's still substantial.
How can this be Bert?
First, the ratings for the broadcast networks are down, so while more people
may have the ability to use an antenna, fewer people are watching.
Second, you keep telling us it does not matter, because there is plenty of
"Free TV," including most network shows, on the Internet, and that more people
are watching these shows via streaming than live.
Third, you don't use your antenna, or your ATSC PVR any more, so even you don't
seem to care...
The fact is that the vast majority of DVRs are integrated into MVPD STBs,
Who cares about MVPD STBs, Craig? People are moving away from that legacy
model.
Just facts Bert. Yes a few people are moving away. MOST are staying.
Let's just assume that's true. Let's assume then that suddenly the cellcos
decided to drop 2G and 3G instantly. Do you not think that many people would
be peeved? Of course they would. Their old phones would instantly be useless.
Can you understand this, or does it need to be debated?
I have not seen a 2G network in quite some time. I occasional see 3G. But this
misses the point COMPLETELY.
Why does in not matter that there are multiple cellular standards in use today,
dating back to 2G?
Because new modems support the legacy standards. Ironically, it is not
consumers, but commercial customers keeping 2G alive. It looks like 3G may be
switched off before 2G:
http://www.commscope.com/Blog/Will-2G-and-3G-networks-be-switched-off-soon/
But you point out a very important FACT, which helps explain why we have been
upgrading our phones at about two year intervals. Like the early days of the
PC, cellular technology is advancing quickly, so there are multiple incentives
to upgrade: improved cellular data throughput, significant improvements in
smart phone performance and battery life, new apps that take advantage of high
speed data, location services, and faster processors.
Take out the cellular modems, and there is less incentive to upgrade, as we
have seen with tablets.
The shared experience of TV, which existed until
Has NOTHING to do with shared experience. Has to do with watching certyain
material, preferentially, on a large screen.
Bull. The TV landscape has change dramatically during our lifetimes. Ever hear
of "the water cooler effect?" And I was talking about an article posted by
Monty talking about the loss of the shared experience as mass media has become
demographically targeted media.
There were field tests of ATSC 1.0 in the 92-93 timeframe; most people
did not buy an HDTV capable of receiving ATSC 1.0 until 2005 or later.
The pricing now is WAY different, and (supposedly) ATSC 3.0 will be deployed
in 2017-2018. It's a completely different situation, POTENTIALLY. I do not
have a good feel for what other broadcasters than Sinclair think, or plan,
wrt ATSC 3.0. The point remains the same. A rapid transition, as some are
describing, will irk many OTA users.
No doubt some people will be upset and some will be pleased. But the reality is
that most broadcasters have not committed to a new standard, and the fact that
some early equipment will be available soon means nothing. HDTV was demoed at
NAB for more than a decade before we even started working on the U.S. DTV
standard.
It may we less of a technical challenge to move to a new standard today, and it
may be easier for manufacturers to support a new standard, as we have seen with
internet streaming. But there is no consensus on how quickly the transition can
occur, IF it occurs at all.
Yup. But who's watching?
Cord cutters an cord shavers, not those stuck in the old models.
The cord cutters - like my son - have many options. He chooses to pay for
Netflix and HBO Now, and could care less about the content on the broadcast
networks (note: he is not a sports fan).
And let's not forget that many people just don't watch TV at all.
FOTA is "LIVE TV" Bert,
Only for the most hopelessly luddite. FOTA TV has been free, ad-supported,
and supported by in-home recording devices, for DECADES, Craig. Where have
you been? Time shifting has been with us since the 1980s, for heaven's sake.
Yes, you can record and time shift FOTA TV Bert. That does not change the fact
that it is a "live" streaming medium. The programs are broadcast on a schedule.
And once again, not that many of the lower income homes that watch FOTA TV have
the ability to record ATSC programs.
But the trend is ALSO toward paying for this content,
The content people agree to pay for is becoming more focused on what they
really want. This was completely impractical in the old days.
Yup. Back in the '70s there was very little choice.
But with cable programming and packaged media people WILLINGLY started paying
for improved choice in TV content.
Even if affiliates became mirror sites,
NO Bert there are no new options for broadcasters.
That's a new role! And it does not involve creating content!
It is a role that broadcasters are NOT in the best position to handle. The
monopoly ISP has a huge advantage in providing this service to content services
that need edge servers.
Regards
Craig
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