[opendtv] Re: TV Prices Fall, Squeezing Most Makers and Sellers

  • From: Mike Tsinberg <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:44:37 -0500

Richard, I visited many of these factories and the  pattern is very similar. 
They use massive amount of workers doing simple manual type jobs. It is cost 
effective there. 

Same manufacturing can be done in highly automated factores through investment 
in 20th century technology with robotics, software etc. It's not cost effective 
to invest in automation and in advanced manufactorung there when you can use a 
human for $2000 a year. However, in US we can build same and better products 
utilizing high tech, more educated laborers. That in turn will create more jobs 
supporting this type of manufacturing. 

The innovation also follows manufacturing. How long we can innovate when to 
build a simple prototype we need to buy every part in Asia? Do you know that 
most advanced consumer products are first field tested in Japan and Korea? 

Mike Tsinberg
Http://www.keydigital.com


On Dec 30, 2011, at 1:27 AM, "Richard C. Ramsden" <ramsden@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Mike, you've missed the point.
> NO one in the US, or a considerable amount of the rest of the world will work 
> for the slave wages Chinese manufactures pay.  And, the companies paying 
> those wages are making no profit.  It works in China because the government 
> wants everyone to have a job, and gives 0 interest loans to make sure that 
> happens.
> 
> Manufacturing is so 20th century.  For the most part there is little or no 
> money in it.  Most laborers working in manufacturing are the modern 
> equivalent of serfs.  Not a pretty picture.
> 
> There are lessons to be learned from history.  Those that fail to learn from 
> history are doomed to repeat it.  The world changed massively, though slowly, 
> when it shifted from an agrarian economy to a manufacturing one.  The current 
> change is happening much faster, as most things do now.
> 
> If you want a job in manufacturing, move to India, or maybe Russia or Brazil.
> 
> Build a bridge
> 
> Rich
> 
> On 12/29/2011 11:54 AM, Mike Tsinberg wrote:
>> Unfortunately innovation does not employ a lot of people. Apple is very
>> innovative but all iPhones, iPad's and iPod's are made in China and other
>> countries. Same is true for other smartphones, TV's, Blu Ray and most of the
>> electronics we consume. So yes we continue to innovate but we get little
>> jobs because of it.
>> 
>> Mike Tsinberg
>> http://keydigital.com
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Craig Birkmaier
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:20 AM
>> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [opendtv] Re: TV Prices Fall, Squeezing Most Makers and Sellers
>> 
>> At 4:39 AM -0500 12/29/11, Albert Manfredi wrote:
>>> True enough, but I think you might be conflating multiple different
>>> events. The high unemployment is a relatively recent phenomenon,
>>> precipitated more by the housing bubble bursting (as it predictably was
>>> going to do) than by Chinese labor. Manufacturing jobs had been
>>> exported for several decades, when unemployment in the US was often at
>>> or below 5 percent. So the sudden high unemployment, starting in 2008,
>>> cannot be attributed to China alone.
>> Bert has the right view here. He also has a direct view of the problem - the
>> out of control government bureaucracy he lives near.
>> 
>> We can return to growth and the best standard of living in the world if we
>> enable American innovation and entrepreneurial greatness.
>> 
>> We live in interesting times...
>> 
>> Regards
>> Craig
>> 
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