[opendtv] Re: TV Prices Fall, Squeezing Most Makers and Sellers

  • From: Bob Miller <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:30:09 -0500

Well if these definitions are correct the US was a socialist country from
the days of Alexander Hamilton till the Civil War, at least, since the
"American System" then in place was rooted in high tariffs to protect urban
workers to the detriment of western and southern farmers.

Some believe those tariffs helped build an industrial US.

On the other hand doing what the Chinese are doing to preserve their
current political system may help them short term but like with the
Japanese the dollars they are hoarding will turn to ashes as they wait for
a return. They can expect to lose 70 to 90% of the value of those dollars
in the interim IMO.

Bob Miller

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Mike Tsinberg <Mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> David,
>
>
>
> I live in New York City and enjoy all the privileges of shopping in Best
> Buy with very low TV prices...
>
> A small correction in your terms:
>
>
>
> ·         An “open border capitalist economy” by definition has
> unilaterally decided to sell to anyone and will buy from anyone without
> restriction – no trade barriers. *Agreed*
>
> ·        A “closed border socialist economy” by definition has
> unilaterally decided to restrict purchases from outside regions by the
> application of tariffs, quotas, import duties or some trade agreements *but
> takes advantage and have unrestricted sales to the regions or countries who
> have no trade barriers*
>
>
>
> There is no doubt that position a “closed border socialist economy” took
> is beneficial to them. There is definitely a doubt that position of an
> “open border capitalist economy” when it deals with this kind of a “closed
> border socialist economy” is beneficial.
>
>
>
> Mike Tsinberg
>
> http://keydigital.com
>
>
>
> *From:* opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *David Broberg
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2012 3:15 PM
>
> *To:* opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [opendtv] Re: TV Prices Fall, Squeezing Most Makers and Sellers
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> Interesting topic.   First let’s be sure we understand your terms. How
> about this?
>
> ·         An “open border capitalist economy” by definition has
> unilaterally decided to sell to anyone and will buy from anyone without
> restriction – no trade barriers.
>
> ·         A “closed border socialist economy” by definition has
> unilaterally decided to restrict sales to or purchases from outside regions
> by the application of tariffs, quotas, import duties or some trade
> agreements.
>
>
>
> In this comparison, the only ones with any loss of liberty will be those
> who are restricted. Their liberty to choose how best to use their own
> property has been restricted. There is no “siphoning of jobs” away from the
> capitalist economy from this action. All exchanges are voluntary and
> mutually beneficial.
>
>
>
> I assume the town or county where you live has some borders. Suppose the
> town council was taken in by the “buy-local” lobbyists and decided to
> impose import duties on all goods coming into the town, to limit foreign
> competition.  This generally benefits (subsidizes) the local producers in
> your town, while restricting you and everyone else in the town’s ability to
> purchase competing products which might be lower priced or higher quality
> produced elsewhere.
>
>
>
> For a simple explanation of this topic, see chapter 5 of *Jonathan
> Gullible* by Ken Schoolland.  It is available in over 40 languages!
>
> http://www.jonathangullible.com/frontpage
>
>
>
> -David
>
> (perpetual student of Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, Friedrich von
> Hayek, Albert J Nock, Walter Block, Henry Hazlitt, etc.)
>
>
>
> *From:* opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Mike Tsinberg
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:19 PM
> *To:* opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [opendtv] Re: TV Prices Fall, Squeezing Most Makers and Sellers
>
>
>
> How does an open border capitalist economy should interact with closed
> border socialist economy when such socialist economy effectively
> siphoning jobs out of capitalist economy putting such capitalist economy in
> deep economic crisis and then giving that capitalist economy credit that
> keeps that capitalist books solidly out of balance?
>
>
>
> Mike Tsinberg
>
> http://keydigital.com
>
>
>
> *From:* opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:54 PM
> *To:* opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [opendtv] Re: TV Prices Fall, Squeezing Most Makers and Sellers
>
>
>
> I would like to point out that most of the theory I learned about
> maintaining free trade and a capitalist economy states that tariffs are
> hindrance to maintaining financial balance, an open supply chain, and
> allowance for market changes. It is my opinion that we have been wise to
> keep import tariffs to a minimum. It seems to me most expert economists
> preach this theory.
>
> I would have to say that I am not an economic expert so I will tend to
> follow there advice and maintain that tariffs are fine for Socialist
> economies but might have quite an undesirable effect on a capitalist one.
>
> Dan
>



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