Uh, Oh! I've never seen that RC indicator on other streams.... I guess I just broke the law by sending that Superbowl thumbnail over the Web, huh? I was just wondering if the null rate could be lowered at all.... (I've seen other stations that are multicasting use rates in the neighborhood of 1 Mbs for additional channels.) It'd be nice to reduce the occurrence of null packets as much as possible, no? (But I can't really say how many is "too many", though - is there any sort of guideline?) Too many nulls would mean that the quantizer / rate control settings weren't optimal, right? John Meehan JVC ________________________________ From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Willkie Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:43 PM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: Superbowl XL(1080)I John; Null packets are what encoders provide when there is no other data to send. If the total data rate is more than 19.39 mb/sec, then you've got a problem. There has to be a setting on the encoder or mux to specify the maximum output bit rate and whether to furnish null packets to pad out that bit rate, which is generally what one wants to do. Video bps + audio bps + psip/psi bps + null packets bps = total bit rate (assuming no packetized data streams) I don't see any issue with bit rate in this sample. The mux rate is 19.39, there are no CRC-32 errors, no continuity_counter errors. If there were too many bits per second, these would signal it. I do wonder why the image looks to be 4:3, since HD video by definition is 16:9. Notice the redistribution control (rc) on the video? Hth John Willkie EtherGuide Systems ________________________________ From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Meehan, John Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:23 PM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: Superbowl XL(1080)I Hello The attached TSReader screen capture of the SuperBowl (CBS OTA in NYC), shows an 18Mbps rate for video... Out of curiosity, has anyone looked at streams from satellite or cable? Are they at the same rate? Also, the null-packet rate is 832K - almost 1 Meg. Is there any way to lower this with encoder settings? <<cbs_super.gif>> John Meehan JVC