Craig Birkmaier wrote: > What Bob said. > > DTV in the U.S. is a NON STARTER without portability > and rock solid plug & play for the masses. What Bob reported, in his original check of this new LG clone receiver on 3 May 2005, when he tested it at his apartment, appeared to be guarded optimism. He could receive 7 DTV stations indoors. Let me refresh everyone's memory on this: -----Quote from Bob's original message--------- Well I put this new LG 5th gen based prototype to the test in my apartment today. They have been working with LG to get it to work like the LG prototype from last summer. I received it one hour after a phone call telling me it was coming. They seem to be real up on this one. Received seven physical channels with a dual bow tie aimed at the Empire State Building 40 some blocks away. 2-1 56 at 100% 4-1 28 at 100% 4-2 5-1 44 at 91 - 100% 5-2 7-1 45 at 100% 7-2 9-1 38 at 97 - 100% 9-2 11-1 33 at 100% 11-2 41-1 40 at 100% Should I receive any other channels? The above are all rock solid similar to the first 5th gen receiver. Starting to feel optimistic again. ----------------------------------------------- After testing in Mark's apartment, the verdict was gen 4+ equivalent, not as good as the original LG prototype. Now, trying to stay half-way professionally objective as hard as I can, I would conclude from this first quick test that the unit is at least adequate for some, if not most, consumers. Certainly more so than previous offerings. Certainly it would be adequate for Bob himself, in his own high multipath urban setting, with only indoor antenna. In the following days after the test in the Schubin apartment, this same unit went from being quite good to "8-VSB still doesn't work." Excuse me, but I just don't understand what the motivation is for this constant negativism. It's silly and unprofessional. Portable reception, with the results Bob and Mark showed, should certainly not be ruled out for this clone. You can lug around a loop antenna to the ball park, and you'll be outdoors besides. Mobility was not tested. But you will note, in the RAI trials in Torino (if you look them up in the DVB site), that mobility was also not good with 64-QAM COFDM in those trials (equivalent to 8-VSB). Nor was indoor reception guaranteed. Granted, power was 2KW, but distance was on the order of 2.7 miles for the indoor test at 64-QAM, and no sky scrapers. So things aren't black and white. I can't fathom why the incessant attitude on here. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.