and, you are offering this up as a counterpoint to "fair and reasonable" and you think your assertion is somehow a counterpoint to the explicit licensing requirement? BTW, the term is "fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory." It says nothing about "not individually negotiated." On what planet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: [opendtv] Re: Royalties > I believe it was recently stated that LG does not publicly divulge > the ATSC licensing requirements but will only negotiate individually. > > - Tom > > John Willkie wrote: > > > no, we just need to get rid of your bullshit. > > > > The fact you cite is not a fact; it's a jaundiced view, based on a lack of > > understanding of IP, law, commerce, or rationality. > > > > The FCC -- with the possible exception of EAS and IBOC FM -- has already > > required "fair and non-discriminatory" licensing in broadcast systems that > > they adopt. At least, since they learned from the Stereo FM fiasco of the > > 1980's. > > > > Just read the ATSC specs or the FCC orders that adopted them. The language > > is clear and quite evident. > > > > There's plenty of sunshine. Little to none of it appears to fall on you. > > > > You and others rely on anonymous sources. Not I. I know more than I tell, > > not less. > > > > John Willkie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:46 PM > > Subject: [opendtv] Re: Royalties > > > > > > > >>John Willkie wrote: > >> > >> > >>>the issue of anonymous sources comes to mind ... > >>> > >> > >>The fact the FCC could determine a standard where there was secret > >>licensing with no "fair and non-discriminatory" clauses is already > >>enough concern. Why do we have to rely on anonymous sources to > >>determine the cost of going along with a federal mandate? > >> > >>Need some sunshine here. > >> > >>- Tom > >> > >> > >>>John Willkie > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Bob Miller" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx> > >>>To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:29 PM > >>>Subject: [opendtv] Royalties > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>http://www.tvtechnology.com/dailynews/one.php?id=2952 > >>>> > >>>>"Sources indicated that TV set manufacturers pay about $16 for the > >>>>intellectual property rights for each ATSC receiver made. Zenith's > >>>>portion of that for 8-VSB is in the neighborhood of $5, manufacturers > >>> > >>>say." > >>> > >>> > >>>>Bob Miller > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > >>>> > >>>>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > >>> > >>>FreeLists.org > >>> > >>> > >>>>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > >>> > >>>unsubscribe in the subject line. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > >>> > >>>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > > > > FreeLists.org > > > >>>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > > > > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > >>> > >> > >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > >> > >>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > > > > FreeLists.org > > > >>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > > > > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.