[opendtv] Re: Roku CEO Anthony Wood on Netflix, Amazon, Google, TV Future
- From: Craig Birkmaier <brewmastercraig@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 09:56:15 -0400
On May 29, 2017, at 9:55 PM, Manfredi, Albert E
<albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Of course it's collusion. Roku does not provide cbs.com, nor should Roku have
to be bribed to carry CBS All Access.
I cannot say if CBS is paying them to carry CBS All Access. But we know CBS is
paying Roku to advertise CBS All Access in a very invasive way. It's not an ad
in the program you are watching, its a banner OVER the program you are watching.
This is what you always miss. By getting in bed with each other, the content
providers can agree with the device makers to block everything, other than
what they bribe to CE vendor to pass through. A handful of pay TV sites only.
And a bunch of free TV sites too Bert.
Has it ever occurred to you that the browser interface used on your PC is NOT
what people are looking for on their TV?
Obviously not, as you still rely on this archaic technology.
CBS and the rest of the congloms CHOOSE to develop Apps for these connected TV
devices because they PREFER this interface for a TV.
There's nothing here that benefits the consumer. There's nothing good you can
say about this practice, Craig. It only favors the very few.
As a consumer I appreciate not having to go to the office and watch TV on my
desktop computer. And guess what?
I can still access all of the stuff you do on my iPad, and mirror it to the TV.
If you read the NPR article I linked to, you would understand that there
is MASSIVE collusion between Internet Services to share personal data in
support of targeted advertising;
And it needs to stop, if it's done without your consent. Web sites? Not so
much of a problem. You have a choice there.
But they ALL do it Bert. Your would lose most of the Internet services you use
today if you opted out of the privacy agreements.
But from your broadband provider? No excuse.
Sorry, there is no difference. They see less of your information than the web
services. As we saw with the posts about VPNs, you can simply block the ISPs
from seeing most anything without opting in or out.
The larger issue is what it would cost to opt out of data collection by any
service. If you opt out the ISP would have every right to charge you more.
Obviously if you opt out with an Internet service you lose that service.
The fact that we have a competitive playing field is all we need to assure that
there will be options. There is no need to treat ISPs any different than
competitors.
You're trying to justify rape, Craig, and it simply doesn't work.
RAPE?
OMG. That's what happened to all of use as a result of a century of heavy
handed regulation of utilities as natural monopolies. I feel violated every
time I get a bill and see how much I must pay each month to support the
regulators and the subsidies I must pay for other peoples services.
The last thing anyone wants is to have their telephone number sold to
telemarketers, for example.
AS IF THAT NEVER HAPPENED....
What next? Your street address, sold to street vendors without your consent?
REALLY? Do you NOT believe that Google knows where you live, or that they sell
your current location to advertisers?
You're losing it Bert.
If the best thing you can say, about these devices born out of collusion, is
that they can help steal your personal information more easily, then you only
made my case that much stronger.
What case?
That you are willing to watch ads to support your TV habit?
Would you prefer one ad at the beginning and/or end of a program, or ten
minutes of ads interrupting a 20 minute program?
Would you watch a targeted ad in return for the ability to watch a movie
without ads?
Do you really believe that CBS.com, Hulu, et all are not collecting your
persona data and selling it?
The issue here is not stealing information; when you agree to the privacy rules
for a service you are specifically agreeing to data collection. At least now
some devices - like my iPhone -now allow us to block some forms of data
collection.
I make no attempt to explain away the need for "collusion" Bert. It
is FUNDAMENTAL to modern commerce and ANY service that relies on
advertising rather than a paid subscription.
That's too broad, and therefore false.
True.
Just as we keep having to whack down telemarketers, and neighborhood
solicitors, the same applies to all other aspects of commerce. You whack down
what becomes obnoxious, you don't make excuses for it, as you always do.
I CHOOSE not to support "obnoxious." That is why I do not watch the broadcast
TV networks. That is why I do not use Hulu. And I usually turn on controls that
block obnoxious web ads, although I have not resorted to an ad blocker app yet.
You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You call Roku a box born of
collusion, yet you own one and use it with Amazon Prime, probably the only TV
service that you actually pay for; but it is easy to rationalize that you are
just paying for free shipping. In case you did not know Bert, the companies
selling products through Amazon are paying for your free shipping...
Again, stay with the fundamental point, and you might just not get lost. Roku
does not need to collude, to block content, just so the web sites can target
ads to you. That blocking aspect is purely for the benefit of the special
interests.
Roku is not a web browser Bert. It is a connected TV device that uses Apps to
connect to a variety of streaming Internet services. Roku could implement a web
browser and let you access everything. But THAT is not the business they are
in, nor the user interface they want to offer.
And no, the FCC does not need to get involved in this. People can simply
choose better streaming options, if the limitations piss them off.
And they will be able to choose among many new ISP options IF we allow real
competition and do not turn Internet Access into another unnatural monopoly
managed through the collusion of the services and local, state and Federal
regulators. Unfortunately, even with light handed regulation the rape will
continue in the form of taxes and subsidies.
By the way, Cox has joined AT&T here in Gainesville in offering a $9.99
broadband service to participants in the SNAP program. That's what can happen
with competition instead of regulatory mandates.
Regards
Craig
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