But I did. "MPEG2 technology" is not plural and does not imply codec and transport stream. Technology could mean just the codec as I meant it. I will be more specific in the future. I have no problem with MPEG2 transport stream but a major problem with MPEG2 being the only codec that mandated receivers can handle. I beleive it is a handicap that OTA does not need. Bob Miller > Yes but the strangeness emanates from the fact that > broadcasters passed on developing their OTA spectrum > for actually broadcasting. They seem content with > ancient 8-VSB and MPEG2 technology with no thought to > mobile on their spectrum while spending all their > efforts on multicast must carry. John Willkie wrote: >funny that you also didn't read bert's posting of the relevant text to the >list yesterday. > >John Willkie >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Miller" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx> >To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:44 PM >Subject: [opendtv] Re: Qualcomm on Channel 55 > > > > >>Now I used the plural, technologies, I don't remember doing so, might >>have, my computer doesn't remember either. Could you point out where I >>used this dastardly indictable "plural". If I did I apologize for the >>grievous error since I did not mean to suggest that MPEG2 transport was >>ancient, just the codec. >> >>Bob Miller >> >>John Willkie wrote: >> >> >> >>>no, you spoke of MPEG-4 technologies supplanting MPEG-2 technologies. >>> >>> >Note > > >>>the plural. You've conceded video is one technology. Could you >>> >>> >describle > > >>>the other technology in MPEG-2 that will be supplanted by MPEG-4 in the >>> >>> >ATSC > > >>>universe, heck even in the DVB universe. >>> >>>John Willkie >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Bob Miller" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:24 PM >>>Subject: [opendtv] Re: Qualcomm on Channel 55 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I have never spoken of MPEG4 transport streams. >>>> >>>>Bob Miller >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>John Willkie wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I do not believe you have any authority to assert what is understood >>>>>commonly or otherwise. >>>>> >>>>>When one speaks of MPEG-4 transport streams, as you did, one is a fool. >>>>> >>>>>John Willkie >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Bob Miller" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:05 PM >>>>>Subject: [opendtv] Re: Qualcomm on Channel 55 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I think John knew that. It is understood that MPEG2 commonly refers to >>>>>>the compression codec. When someone speaks of the MPEG2 transport >>>>>> >>>>>> >stream > > >>>>>>they say MPEG2 transport stream. >>>>>> >>>>>>Bob Miller >>>>>> >>>>>>John Shutt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Alright John, enough. I think you've beaten Bob over the head long >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>enough >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>for what you know perfectly well was a slip of the tongue. When he >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>said >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>MPEG-2 Transport Streams were obsolete, you know he meant MPEG-2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >video > > >>>>>>>compression. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sheesh. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>John >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "John Willkie" <JohnWillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It was not I who said that MPEG-2 transport streams were passe, nor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>was >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>I >>>>>>>>who thought that there were MPEG-4 transport streams. I deal with >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>MPEG-4 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>all the time. In MPEG-2 transport streams. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >> >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.