Whoops hit send by accident... > On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:47 PM, "Manfredi, Albert E" > <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Only to the extent that US broadcasters aren't streaming their live signals, > Craig. So what? That's not a technical limitation. You are reading too much into what I wrote. By disconnected, I mean that one cannot easily move between the input sources for these smart TVs. A case in point. I have a brand new smart TV from LG. I almost never use the integrated smart TV features because they are all duplicated by my Apple TV, and they are not integrated with the other services. So the cable STB is on HDMI input 1; the Apple TV is on HDMI input 2; the DVD player is on the component input. And the ATSC tuner is on an antenna input. The cable remote can control all of these devices except the Apple TV, and some of the smart TV features. There is nothing I can do to push one button and get to Netflix; that's 5-6 button pushes on two remotes if the TV was last used with the cable STB. You have a similar dilemma. The FOTA antenna is on one input; your PC us on another. You may have other devices on other inputs. In short, everything is still disconnected. As long as you need a proprietary cable STB to play in their walled garden these worlds are not integrated. Not at the UI level; not at the search level; and not at the authentication level. Comcast is seeking to solve part of this problem by integrating their proprietary digital cable services (with hardware DRM), with their proprietary IP services; as a bonus they provide access to some OTT services. The only way third party STBs, game consoles, etc. can play is currently with a cable card. The MVPDs have held the FCC at bay with lame DRM solutions that make competition impractical, while they keep charging monthly fees for STBs and the DVR feature built into some models. It is interesting that the MVPDs are not as concerned about security, when they, and the content owners, allow access to their walled garden content via the Internet; all you need is a user name and password, which you can share with friends and family. Why "Katy bar the door" with DRM to access their video channels, but lax security for Internet access to some of the same exclusive content? Have you figured this out yet Bert? Could it be they already have your money? Well not Bert's, because he refuses to pay. This is something I have no problem with - it's a personal choice. The MVPD subscription is where the big bucks are; a little leakage via the Internet is small change; you are using a username/password from someone that may be sending them $100/mo or more. Using your parents password after you move out of the house is akin to staying on their health insurance policy until you are 26. There are any companies with the ability to re-invent the User a Interface to The TV. Intel tried, gave up, and sold to Verizon. The rest are playing around the edges, with the kind of on tent bundles Bert likes - all filled with content licensed from the content congloms. > In the meantime, for VOD even from within an MVPD walled garden, an > intelligently designed "connected TV" should be able to take care of that all > **by itself**. Internet Protocols are ALREADY STANDARDIZED. It's not like the > CE community needs to figure this out on their own. They just need to quit > thinking that collusion is the only way to do business. *Plus*, schemes like > Windows Media Center, working with an RF receiver card, can bring together > the live streams and recorded stuff. CE vendors could work on similar > software on their own sets. Integrating OTT services and FOTA TV is certainly a possibility; but it seems a bit absurd that you would need to buy an ATSC card for your PC, when the FCC forced you to buy the ATSC tuner in your TV. The TV manufacturers could do a better job of integration with the FOTA tuners in the TVs and their "smart features," but why bother? Only a small percentage of their customers still use FOTA, and a large percentage of these cannot afford broadband. What mo > But with the new competitive market, the content providers have been getting > a lot more money recently. They can sell to Hulu, Netflix, AT&T U-Verse and > Verizon, and prices for content have been going up. If Comcast-Time Warner > [gains] more power over content providers, I am not going to object to that — > the [content providers] have been raising their prices for the last year. A > little payback wouldn’t be a bad idea. Actually they have been raising prices for the past two decades. Will Comcast/NBC use it's new muscle to cut better deals for its customers, or for itself? Will they raise their subscriber fees for NBC channels, moving the money from one pocket to the other, while increasing these fees for the MVPD subscribers they do not control? Or will they use the leverage they have with NBC, one third of MVPD subscribers, and 40% of broadband subscribers to reduce subscriber fees? It is patently absurd to believe they will sacrifice profits to keep customers in the garden, when they have no real competition. > . > >> You have not been listening. The local VOD servers at cable head ends >> mostly play back pre-produced transport stream files encoded using >> MPEG-2. They are already encoded; the bit rate and QOS are >> predetermined. If a title is available in Sd and HD, there are two >> playout files. > > You seem to not understand how these technologies work, Craig. First of all, > even without using IP, what you described, assuming it's accurate, can easily > be improved. Like I said, in a PON, the server knows exactly how many streams > it is feeding out and even what the rest of the PON downstream load is. > Therefore, in principle, that VOD server can adjust the bandwidth of its > individual streams accordingly. No need for IP! Doing this with IP can > automate the process right out of the box, but it's HARDLY a critical new > feature. > >> You condemn the legacy practices like MVPD bundles, > > You obviously don't read. I never condemned bundles. I condemn only walled > gardens. YOU are the one who (illogically) condemns bundles. > >>> The MVPD MPEG-TS broadcast bandwidth still fits this 1970s description. > >> The only similarity is that the MVPDs still use live streaming program >> schedules, just like broadcasters. > > Wow, you keep missing the most important point. Broadcast networks, whether > MPEG-2 TS or analog, become natural walled gardens. Two-way networks do not. > Didn't you get this? In a one-way broadcast, a single entity can, and usually > does, control ALL OF THE SOURCES. > >> By definition, you are saying that the FOTA broadcast model is dead; > >> And yes, DBS is at a huge competitive disadvantage. They obviously want >> yo keep people watching the streaming channels in the bundles, rather than >> moving to OTT VOD. > > Agsin you didn't read. All of these intermediaries need to reinvent > themselves. DBS and cable MVPDs into ISPs, potentially also hosting their own > OTT sites. The OTA broadcasters into providing local content and distributed > servers. > >> Stop with these ridiculous diversions. > > What diversion? This is what you said: > >> They also believe that authentication Is fundamental to the new TV everywhere >> business model they are advancing; pay once, view everywhere... > > Do you not understand that this "new TV everywhere" "revolutionary business > model" is used all over the Internet already, by all manner of businesses, at > the very least since 1994? How is it not a "no-brainer?" > > Bert > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.