Frank Eory wrote: > Or maybe he means that people like the benefits of > digital cable without having to pay extra to have > that functionality built into their display -- > especially since STB's are evolving so rapidly that > any STB functions built into the display will > become obsolete long before the display will. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that this category of customer is indeed a "niche" group. I'll bet there's a reason why only 20 percent of cable customers is begging for an STB these days (your number). But I could be wrong. STBs are evolving, but only in terms of adding new features such as VOD, correct? That is, unless the customer wants to subscribe to new services, for an additional fee, his old STB still soldiers on, right? So the same will happen with built-in receivers. (And two-way built-in capability is next in the cable/CE manufacturer agreements, it seems.) My bet is that a customer who buys a new integrated set with cable card will be very happy to be rid of the STB. Especially when he notices the prices dropping for these new sets, to where they were for comparably sized NTSC sets just a couple of years ago. > > Note: I'm not talking about a PVR or other > > recording device with integrated receiver in the > > description of what an STB is. > > Why not? My current STB is a dual tuner HD PVR. > Whether you call it a cable STB with integrated > PVR or a PVR with integrated cable tuners, it's > still a set-top box of some description. Because that's cheating!! I've never differentiated between TVs or recording devices, when talking about the benefits of the built-in ATSC/cable receiver. What makes sense for one makes sense for the other. If you include the recorder in your definition of the STB, you've acknowledged that the built-in receiver is a must at least for that product category. In the case of DVRs and DVDRs, the recorder is not any cheaper than most TV sets. So your concern about rapid obsolescence of the built-in receiver is just as valid for them as it is for the TV set. > I also prefer to rent it from Cox rather than > purchase it. Well, fine, but now you're paying more too. You've bought the recording device with only a few months of rent. Not only that, but you can buy exactly the recording device you want, rather than be forced to accept what the cable company rents. Renting might be a great psychological trick, but it just puts the American consumer deeper in debt. Who are we trying to fool? Furthermore, the same holds for DBS. We know that combination DBS/ATSC receiver design is well understood these days, because many DBS STBs already do this. So the only group preventing combined DBS/cable/ATSC receivers from existing must be the DBS folk themselves. I mean, wasn't the cable/CE manufacturer agreement a voluntary one between only those two groups? Who's stopping this? Certainly not the FCC. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.