Why are the NBC NTSC and HD feeds different? There is usually a half hour difference between them. Terry Harvey wrote: >But are the NBC commercial inserts coming from Athens? > >It seems to me that the MPEG-2 video is going through three encode-decode >cycles: > >Encode Athens, decode/encode New York, decode/encode affiliate, decode >consumer. > >Even at two cycles at 45Mb/s coupled with an 18Mb/s cycle there will be >sufficient loss to give MPEG blocking when there is sufficient motion in >the picture (eg. swinging Olympic logo). > >I don't think NBC New York is passing the video through from Athens without >decoding. > >Terry Harvey > > > >At 01:56 PM 8/19/2004 -0700, John Willkie wrote: > > >>During the Olympics, NBC is being run out of Athens. Indeed, in the case of >>o&o's, the local station is being switched out of Athens. >> >>All the nets use 45Mb/sec contribution feeds, save Fox (when their stream >>switcher goes on line) which will be using 19.29 Mb/sec transmission feed to >>affiliates. >> >>John Willkie >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>[mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of tjharvey@xxxxxxx >>Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:58 AM >>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Subject: [opendtv] Re: Olympics picture quality >> >> >>Doug, >> >>I made mention of this last Sunday. I understand the pictures are incoming >>to NBC affiliates at DS3 rate of 45Mb/s, so the origination encoding from >>New York, or wherever else it is originating from in the US is sending it >>out at 45Mb/s. Affiliates decode and re-encode to 18Mb/s for transmission >>and so there is a generational loss but it should not be all that bad. >> >>My question is how is NBC receiving it at New York? I suspect a third decode >>is occurring before its US distribution to insert commercials. Or else is >>the encode from Athens at a different rate from NBC's DS-3 distribution rate >>which necessitates a third decode/ re-encode cycle? >> >>Anyhow, I see the artifacts too. In future the viewer is regularly going to >>have to put up with this as the broadcast 'bean-counters' force limited >>bandwidth. So just live with it and treat it as an interesting special >>effect. >> >>Terry Harvey >> >> >>>From: Doug McDonald <mcdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>Date: 2004/08/19 Thu PM 01:03:46 EDT >>>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Subject: [opendtv] Olympics picture quality >>> >>>Somebody here may well be able to answer my question >>>on the picture quality of the HD Olympics. >>> >>>Sinclair only turned on their true HD here for the >>>Olympics ... it was ready days earlier, but they absolutely >>>refused to let us see some regular HD programming before the >>>Olympics, so that's all I have seen. >>> >>>For static pictures, the quality (1080i) is certainly OK. >>>There seems to be zero detail that my 720p TV can't handle: >>>no change when I adjust the "sharpness" control, except for the >>>local bug, and at CC It saw no more detail on 1080i sets, including >>>the Sony XBR 950 set for "pro" mode, but it looks fine. >>> >>>However, when fast motion starts, such as the flying rings logo >>>they use for replays, all Hell breaks loose: the logo itself >>>breaks up into blocks, and is fuzzy to boot. I see no problem >>>with flying logos on MNF (720p). When they show from-above >>>distant shots of swimmers, the foam breaks up into total pixelated >>>mud. >>> >>>When they show fast gymnastics, when they pan to follow a running >>>gymnast, the background seems to move smoothly, so at least that >>>part of the 50i->60i conversion is passable. BUT ... when the >>>gymnasts have wailing arms or legs ... they actually disappear >>>entirely! No, they don't get blurry ... there is no blur, just >>>background behind where they should be. Well sometimes there is >>>some faint trace or blurry stuff in front of the background, >>>but not much. >>> >>>Clearly the broken up flying logos is a local encoder issue, but >>>what about the foam breakup and the missing arms? Is this local, >>>or due to the 50->60 problem? Has any of you people seen what the >>>un-19.3'd network feed looks like? >>> >>>Overall I would say that both swimming and gymnastics has moments >>>of simply unacceptably bad pictures. >>> >>>Mark Aitken: are you sure that the WICD people have got their >>>encoder set right? Are you using the same brand of encoders >>>at all your 1080i stations? >>> >>>Doug McDonald >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >>> >>>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >>> >>> >>FreeLists.org >> >> >>>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >>> >>> >>unsubscribe in the subject line. >> >> >>> >>> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >> >>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >>FreeLists.org >> >>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >>unsubscribe in the subject line. >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >> >>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >>FreeLists.org >> >>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >>unsubscribe in the subject line. >> >> > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > >- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >FreeLists.org > >- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.