[opendtv] Re: News: The Real Fight Over Fake News

  • From: Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:46:38 -0400

Sorry, I can't quote any numbers or hard facts, only my own opinion picked up from hanging out on AVS and from shopping for a low end LCD when my projector bulb popped a few months ago.


But I can say that, at the low end, both Target's Olevia and Walmart's Vizio newer models all seem to support clear QAM. I ended up with a Vizio and can say it has no problems with it on Cox. And I think Vizio is now something like the 2nd best selling LCD brand now.

Until the sparsity of 'hard facts' is corrected I'm going to stick with my previous opinion that clear QAM support will become an expected option in most sets going forward. And I also think true2way has some momentum building.

- Tom

Adam Goldberg wrote:
Partial apologies for pedantics, but both "digital cable ready" and "cable
ready" have specific legal meanings with respect to Title 47.  See, 47 CFR
15.123(a)-(b) and 47 CFR 15.118(a).

I have no doubt there are plenty of "clear QAM" receivers out there, built
anytime from 2002 or so, on.  But, (here's the key) I am unaware of any
non-anecdotal surveys which have real hard data on how many/what
proportion/etc of receivers are "clear QAM".  However, it is clear that
"digital cable ready" receivers are decreasing in number (and will at least
until the tru2way "digital cable ready" receivers are successfully
marketed).

If you can cite a study, news report, or something which has real numbers on
clear QAM support, I'd be very interested to see it.

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Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: The Real Fight Over Fake News

Tom Barry wrote:

Also an increasing number of new TV's sold are now digital
cable ready, at least for unencrypted QAM.  And probably
many more will come out with the 2 way integrated non-cable
card thing, whatever that new standard is called that Sony
recently has been trumpeting.

Adam Goldberg wrote:

The non-CableCARD thing is called DCAS.  The new thing Sony
has been "trumpeting" is either called OCAP or tru2way.
 Either way, they're different.  And DCAS is apparently
dead (as reported in Communications Technology mag on June
1).

I wouldn't say that an "increasing number of new TVs sold
are now digital cable ready".  It's probably better to say
that a diminishing number of TV models are digital cable
ready.  (Trend is DOWN not UP)

Actually, what Tom said is, I think, very true:

"Also an increasing number of new TV's sold are now digital cable ready,
at least for unencrypted QAM.<<<" (I added the emphasis)

He's talking about sets that you can plug into cable systems and, just
like their NTSC forebears, receive basic, unencrypted cable programming,
sans cable STB.

It turns out that even my 2004-vintage Accurian box had a cable TUNER in
it, although no QAM demod. It was only good for those cable systems that
pipe through 8T-VSB, as some did (maybe still do). You can set it to
tune to all the cable frequency channels. As far as I can tell, it's
mostly only the CECBs now that cannot receive unencrypted QAM.

For example, the January 2007 Samsung HDTV STB is fully capable of
receiving basic, unencypted cable. So are Sony TVs, Samsung,
Philips/Magnavox, LG, ...

Bert
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