I can criticize anything, and I almost always do so in an active voice. Did I somehow speak over your head, in that you are not familiar with the passive voice? It's always a dead giveaway that somebody is trying to not say something. So, you at least half-heartedly support what the NAB is doing with the RFQ. ISTR that you were critical of the effort a month or two back. What changed? Did the extension of the deadline to July 29 convince you the NAB was finally up to good? If I argue with myself, I tend to mention that I've changed my mind. By the way, I'm a former NAB associate member. I find it hard to remember a time when my priorities were aligned with the NABs. John Willkie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: NAB/MSTV Tout Digital Dozen > > > John Willkie wrote: > > could you provide a single instance in your life where you have EVER > > supported a single activity or priority of the NAB? (don't use the passive > > voice with me to try to avoid dealing with a real thought) > > > Uhhhh, I believe the current post already is an example of that. The > NAB appears to be on a campaign to ensure good ATSC receivers exist on > the market before we abandon analog. That seems like a good idea to me. > > And frankly you are not in a position to dictate how others on the list > choose to phrase things. > > - Tom > > > John Willkie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:40 PM > > Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: NAB/MSTV Tout Digital Dozen > > > > > > > >> > >>Manfredi, Albert E wrote: > >> > For example, the CEA cannot ignore the ho hum results of > >> > multiple receiver tests performed even by the FCC, in years > >> > past (2002). Hence, to claim there are no problems for the NAB > >> > blessing program to address is disingenuous. > >> > >>I do not always support all the activities and priorities of the NAB. > >> > >>But I support much of what they are doing here. I think it has been > >>shown the CE companies consistently state, and maybe even believe, that > >>the current ATSC receiver chips are sufficient. Now it is possible > >>those receivers really are sufficient and it is possible they will at > >>least be sufficient in a couple years. But having the NAB demand the CE > >>companies put it in writing with RFP's and eventual contracts makes me > >>feel a bit better about the possibility of finding out the real truth > >>before the digital transition ends in a possibly embarrassing fashion. > >> > >>Congress should wholeheartedly voice support the NAB's efforts in this > >>if we are to believe OTA TV will still have a competitive chance after > >>the transition. If the CE companies truly believe they can build decent > >>receivers for the previously bandied prices then they should have no > >>trouble signing contracts to do so, even if there will certainly be some > >>performance criteria. > >> > >>- Tom > >> > >> > >> > >> > > http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA631474.html?display=3DBreaking= > > > >>>+ > >>>News&referral=3DSUPP > >>> > >>>NAB/MSTV Tout Digital Dozen > >>> > >>>By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 8/1/2005 4:13:00 PM > >>> > >>>... > >>> > >>>At one point, the two groups were planning to work together to > >>>promote the digital switch, but had a falling- out and have > >>>been at some variation of public loggerheads ever since. > >>>However, Donovan says he is looking forward to working with > >>>consumer electronics companies on the new box. > >>> > >>>... > >>>------------------------- > >>> > >>>It seems pretty obvious that everyone involved is behaving > >>>exactly as they should be expected to behave. > >>> > >>>The NAB needs receivers that work, before feeling okay about > >>>analog shutoff. Clearly. > >>> > >>>The individual CE companies want their boxes to be among the > >>>anointed few, given that there are 10s of millions of TVs out > >>>there that might need one in short order. > >>> > >>>The CEA as an association of vendors wants to avoid having > >>>the govt mandate anything at all to its membership, including > >>>any sort of receiver integration mandate or any sort of > >>>receiver performance spec minima. > >>> > >>>The govt needs to recover spectrum. > >>> > >>>It would be refreshing, though, to see some balanced comments > >>>coming from these organizations, acknowledging that there are > >>>real considerations beyond everyone's strictest self-interest. > >>> > >>>For example, the CEA cannot ignore the ho hum results of > >>>multiple receiver tests performed even by the FCC, in years > >>>past (2002). Hence, to claim there are no problems for the NAB > >>>blessing program to address is disingenuous. > >>> > >>>Bert > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > >>> > >>>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > > > > FreeLists.org > > > >>>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > > > > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > >>> > >> > >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > >> > >>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > > > > FreeLists.org > > > >>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > > > > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.