[opendtv] Re: Net Neutrality: Government Control of Your Internet Service | National Review
- From: Craig Birkmaier <brewmastercraig@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 08:27:17 -0400
On Jun 27, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
"It gave the Interstate Commerce Commission the power to set maximum railroad
rates, institute 'just and reasonable' maximum rates and abolished rebates
and free rides to 'loyal shippers.' ... Section 7 of the Mann Elkins Act
specifies that 'the provisions of this Act shall apply to any corporation
engaged in the transportation of oil or other commodity, except water and
natural or artificial gas, by means of pipelines....and to ***telegraph,
telephone and cable companies engaged in sending messages from one State,
Territory, or District of the United States, to any other State, Territory,
or District of the United States or to any foreign country.***'"
Sorry, but I posted that info, which says NOTHING as to whether the ICC
actually exercised this authority to do as you claim.
If you can read, it is pretty clear. Read all the way to the end of the
quote, slowly. Telephone companies, it says. Telephone companies included
companies that served households. And I also expect you to remember these
things, rather than always having to begin again at square 1. We have been
over this countless times, including how the smaller telephone companies
initially could not intercommunicate. You have to remember, or you sound like
a broken record which cannot get past your familiar, repetitive mantra.
The Mann-Elkins act authorized the ICC to regulate. Did they?
Please provide links to actual regulations issued by the ICC, prior to the
Kingsbury agreement in 1913.
It is not unusual for congress to grant authority to an agency, which then
either does nothing, or tries and fails. The FCC as given the authority to
unbundle cable STBs in 1995 - two decades later...
Regulars are concerned with neutral interconnection. This is what neutrality
is all about, when MVPDs suddenly take on the ISP role. The "reasonable
rates," here as well as for the railroads, are to ensure interconnection. In
today's world, it includes interconnection between Netflix and any broadband
household. At "reasonable rates." It does not allow your walled-garden
MVPD/ISP to block the traffic, or to charge exorbitant prices.
There has been no blocking, and the marketplace is setting rates.
Technically, the recent Title II FCC order DOES NOT allow the FCC
to regulate Internet interconnection rates.
That is false. The FCC chooses not to regulate rates.
Try again.
The FCC stated it would not regulate ISP rates. The Title II rule making has no
direct effect on interconnections. The FCC has said it might work with parties
in the future to resolve interconnection disputes.
So, before you continue you senseless arguments, explain this: How can a
water and sewer provider have any reasonable amount of competition, through
every neighborhood, so that they do not operate as a monopoly? It's a trivial
question. If you cannot explain this, then you have no business proclaiming
that natural monopolies don't exist.
There is no reason that multiple water systems and sewage processing systems
can not be connected to the same pipes, just as power generation facilities are
connected to the same distribution grid.
That being said, the concept of natural monopolies is well entrenched. But it
does not eliminate major issues, like the Flint water crisis, where the city
changed the source of the water distributed in Flint.
This case raises another major issue. Much of the infrastructure you call a
"natural monopoly" is owned by municipalities that have not maintained this
infrastructure or set aside funds for maintenance and upgrades. Now we are
facing massive costs to the taxpayers to rebuild these systems.
Compare this with the telcos, who are spending billions on spectrum to upgrade
their wireless infrastructure.
Let's just say that regulation of natural monopolies is not fair and equal...
Then answer me this, Craig. How many broadband providers can you choose from,
providing more than say, 4 Mb/s downstream service?
Cox Cable
AT&T wireless
Verizon Home
Hughes Net (satellite)
GRU Net. In some areas of Gainesville (not here)
AT&TDSL claims faster speeds but what I can get is about 4Mbps.
But this is all irrelevant. The FCC just entrenched the cable guys in the
broadband business...
Regards
Craig
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