Christmas is a "fad" in Japan"???? Definition of fad.... "a temporary fashion, notion, manner of conduct, etc., esp. one followed enthusiastically by a group." Operating words, "temporary" and "group". Japan represents a very big group. And 400 years a very long "temporary". http://www.christmasarchives.com/wjapan.html "Francis Xavier was from Portugal in 1549, taught us Christianity about 400 years ago. It was the first experience of this for the Japanese and Christmas became popular throughout Japan from that time. The first recorded Christmas Mass was celebrated at Yamaguchi Church in 1552. Even today's there are 'KAKURE' (secret Christians), who hide that they are Christians, and they still use Latin when they sing Christmas carols. This style of celebrating Christmas has not changed since the custom began 400 years ago." Of course I was talking of the Christmas season in general and how many countries around the world see an increase in BUYING of things during this period no matter what the excuse. I didn't mean to start an argument about who officially celebrates Christmas in the official way. Bob Miller On 12/6/06, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So, let me see. Bahrain, a "country" smaller than the city I am at this moment in, Celebrates Christmas. You allege that China celebrates Christmas, but of course by your words, they do not. Last time I checked, they had about half the world's population. You equivocated on this point, Bob. How many TV stations in China use the DVB spec? Christmas is a "fad" in Japan. How many of these countries around the world that you believe celebrate Christmas have DTT systems based on the DVB standards? Will there be millions of DTT boxes under Bahraini Christmas trees? Will there be millions and millions of DVB receivers sold for Christmas presents in Brazil? How about Argentina? I just listed a few countries where Christmas is less prevalent than ATSC countries. Do you believe that Hindis, Sikhs and Muslims are more likely to celebrate Christmas in India than the average citizen in, say, Canada? While India, in the post-Marxist world, is starting to thrive, the average annual income for the country is still less than the average weekly income in the U.S. I suspect that the few people there who celebrate Christmas don't buy many HDTV sets. I have a bit of a perspective on this point, Bob. I live most of the time in Mexico. Christmas is observed there, but not in the way that would lead many Mexicans to put DTT systems out as presents on Christmas. Christmas trees are just getting to be in vogue there among people; Christmas in Mexico is more about the "reason for the season" than gifts. (Every time the buses I ride in Mexico passes a Catholic church, many people on the bus execute the "sign of the cross" just like my mom did when I was a mere child.) You reach for low-hanging fruit, Bob, to "praise" DVB. You do this all the time, and try to chime in on any remote topic to pimp what -- in the country you live in -- is a dead letter. In the current context, you are actually damning DVB with faint praise. Also, as to the TR101-290 spec, it actually has much to say about what a receiver should be able to do, but can't use RF planning factors, since they are different from region to region and country to country. John Willkie P.S. I note you didn't respond to how many people in France are able to get HDTV terrestrially. Do you think that the French people -- as opposed to the nomenclatura -- are interested in 'quality?' > -----Original Message----- > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Bob Miller > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:08 AM > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [opendtv] Re: Microtune MT2130 Tuner > > My daughter brought home a friend from college for Thanksgiving, a > Fulbright scholar from Bahrain. They celebrate Christmas there and she > is a Bahai Iranian. > > Japan is big on Christmas. They probably spend more than Germany. > Russia is big on Christmas with gifts given on New Years Eve. They are > thirteen days behind us though as to Christmas. > > Taiwan is working on making Christmas a holiday.China has their Spring > Festival (Chinese New year) at the end of January which is the atheist > answer to Christmas there though traditional Christmas is celebrated > by some. > > India celebrates Christmas and it is a national holiday. They > celebrate it like many of us as a secular event, an excuse for > spending on presents and good times. > > It is the season to spend in most of the places you list which was my > point. > > This I know John. > > And thanks for your continued instructions in the art of life. > > > Bob Miller > > On 12/6/06, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > You mean that ETSI hasn't published a TR to deal with receiver issues > akin > > to the TR101-290 for transport stream issues? > > > > And, you mean that Christmas is celebrated widely in, say India, China, > > Japan, Taiwan, Russia and the middle East? Somehow, that's more than > half > > the world's population. > > > > Bob, it's better to speak of what you know, or risk showing ignorance. > > > > John Willkie > > > > P.S. What percentage of those French households can receive terrestrial > > HDTV? Do you think that they lose something by down rezzing? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv- > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > On Behalf Of Bob Miller > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:56 PM > > > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [opendtv] Re: Microtune MT2130 Tuner > > > > > > Or that since DVB-T/H receivers meet the market place spec and since > > > there is a lot of competition if you don't want to be dog meat next > > > week your receiver better be as good or better than others. > > > > > > This Christmas season is going to be gangbusters around the world for > > > DVB-T/H receivers. Come the spring it could be truly amazing. 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