It is not a question of AVC vs. VP-8 (or -9). Traditionally Flash players have NOT used GPU or other hardware acceleration on ANY platform. This has been one of the major sticking points with supporting Flash on mobile devices and one of the reasons you don't often see Flash deployed on devices that use video-centric SOCs (for example, most set top boxes). Even if the essence in both formats is encoded with AVC, you will likely see a performance difference if the HTML5 delivered version is able to use platform specific, accelerated codecs and the Flash player is restricted to its internal software-only decoder. The Flash version will likely consume more battery as a result. For a time Adobe was supporting "Embedded Flash" which was to be a variant of the player that could use platform hardware assists. That was cancelled last year. Coincidentally the Flash player disappeared from the Android app store. Prior to that many Android devices, particularly those that were "Google experience" devices, included Flash support in the Android browser (not Chrome). No idea if there is any cause-effect relationship between those. gary Gary Hughes Advanced Technology Group, ARRIS 900 Chelmsford Street, Lowell, MA 01851 Office: 978 614 3504 Mobile: 978 339 3615 -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Albert Manfredi Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:20 PM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: Live streaming Craig Birkmaier wrote: > Sorry Bert, but this proves nothing. IF there was a market to > accelerate VP-8, there were many GPU vendors who could have stepped up. What it proves is that it's simply false to state that Flash is a power hog. That's what amounts to banality, Craig. What creates the excessive power demands are improperly designed GPUs. And unfortunately, Apple has a large market share in these handheld toys, so in the past at least, their weight mattered. But that DOES NOT mean that there isn't "market demand" for the correct solutions. Most people do not feel an urge to make excuses for Steve Jobs' decisions. There's been plenty of complaining about the non-availability of Flash, in these devices. MAYBE, eventually, it won't matter. Then again, that same attitude will carry on with whatever the new actual and de-facto standards will be. Non-support of Flash was just yesterday's and today's manifestation of an on-going attitude. > Can you run Mac OS on a standard PC. For some reason Microsoft does > not support this. Microsoft? Microsoft does not control the design of PCs, which is why you can run any of a bunch of Linux flavors on any PC, whether Microsoft likes it or not. Not to mention, any app anyone cares to write, whether Microsoft likes it or not. >> And so it goes. That's exactly why I've stayed with the PC platform. >> They do not have a history of playing these silly games. > > FOTFL. > > Can you say Internet Explorer? And this is relevant? How? Can you say Chrome? Can you say Firefox? Is Gates or Ballmer telling me I can't use those? Or Linux? Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.