Dale Kelly wrote: > [The LG prototype] set the gold standard for VSB reception, > which is not duplicated by available 5G products, including > those from Zenith/LG. Granted, the new 5G products do provide > improved performance but whether that is good enough depends > upon where one lives. I think you're being overly pessimistic. Even in the Schubin abode, antenna placement on the window sill makes the dumbed down 5th gen receivers usable. It's not like they are worthless. Even in that location, which epitomizes everything that was bad about 8-VSB initially (close in to transmitters, indoor reception, lots of ghost energy, dynamci echo caused by traffic). > Mark Schubin would say no and remember; he receives acceptable > NTSC reception with rabbit ears. Of course we know that the > major difference is in the RF front-end design but the > question still remains, why did Zenith again demonstrate a > "solution" product that they did not intend to bring to market? I, for one, am glad they did. Because now we all know it can be done. And we can happily speculate that if they don't market such a product, they are in bed with the big bad monopolies that like to bamboozle people into becoming dependent on them. Similarly, I think, isn't it interesting how Samsung didn't put their landmark decoder in their new STB? I'd like to know how much they saved with this move, and what made them and LG decide that a particular level of performance, which in Mark Schubin's apartment translates to "rabbit ear antenna on window sill," is considered "good enough." That seems to be where the DTT receiver manufacturers are converging. On the other hand, seems to me that as ATSC DTT receivers have been improving, the Euro ones have been cheapened over the years. And I mean, not just lower cost, but cheaper tuners as well. I'd love to see a proper comparison made, with the newest from both sides of the pond, at the same spectral efficiencies, with A-VSB modes added in, to give the ATSC receivers some measure of adjustment. As things are now, in terms of Mark Schubin's reception, the tradeoff is either watchable NTSC with antenna sitting physically over the TV set, or "perfect" HDTV and multicasts with the antenna on the window sill. Personally, I would view that as a no-brainer choice. In my case, instead, DTT with a 3rd gen receiver has made most of the Baltimore channels completely usable, whereas with NTSC they simply are not. Most especially not with rabbit ears. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.