Bert wrote: >I know he tried some no-name clones with the 5th gen LG chip, and that those clones didn't do "as well as" the prototype. But that doesn't mean they are crap, either. We have all surmised the reason to be that they weren't using the better tuner designs. The LG/Zenith "cold fusion" receiver design was the latest in a long line of Red Herring products announced or developed to obfuscate the 8VSB reception debate. It set the gold standard for VSB reception, which is not duplicated by available 5G products, including those from Zenith/LG. Granted, the new 5G products do provide improved performance but whether that is good enough depends upon where one lives. Mark Schubin would say no and remember; he receives acceptable NTSC reception with rabbit ears. Of course we know that the major difference is in the RF front-end design but the question still remains, why did Zenith again demonstrate a "solution" product that they did not intend to bring to market? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.