Manfredi, Albert E wrote: >Tom Barry wrote: > > > >>>On the other hand, there's nothing quite as aggravating as petulant, whiny >>>children. We aren't getting DVB-T, okay? Get over it. >>> >>> >>This often seems to be the response when someone criticizes ATSC. But ATSC >>continues be be vulnerable to criticism because the repeated promises for >>improvement continue to be broken. >> >>It is of course somewhat offensive to be called a whiny child. >> >> > >Yes, well, I was responding in kind. I guess that's not good policy. Depending >on one's point of view, offenses from one side or the other tend to be >overlooked. > >The simple fact is, that's how I feel about this topic. The "if only we had >gone to DVB-T" complaint is utterly useless at this point, and sounds like an >excuse to lie back and do nothing. > >A good 8-VSB receiver design was demonstrated. It is now incumbent upon those >whose livelihood depends on OTA to do something proactive, or just accept >defeat and go out of business. Shoulda coulda woulda doesn't do anyone any >good. > >Furthermore, it's supremely annoying to be told that I "defend ATSC," as if I >hadn't made my views on this clear enough. "Defend" isn't the issue. ATSC is >what we have. The question now is how best to use it, not to keep beating a >horse that died years ago. For me, >and you I suspect, this is merely an interesting academic exercise. I don't >have any reason to "defend" any one technology. My livelihood doesn't depend >on ATSC or DVB-T, so I have absolutely no reason to prattle on with silly >nonsense like some of the marketing types on here. > >Bert > > I know you are not targeting me Bert but I would like to note that while deriding 8-VSB and praising DVB-T we are also ACTIVELY looking for a decent 8-VSB receiver and inquiring about a better modulation than DVB-T, DMB-T. We are not married to anything. We are open minded and working at it. I want to use LPTV with COFDM or DMB-T, I will use it with 8-VSB if I must but only when it makes sense. It hasn't make sense with 8-VSB since 1999. I keep beating this dead horse, 8-VSB, because I think it may magically come to life, but as long as it just lays in the road I am actively trying to find another horse to use. I know of such horses but the traffic cop on this beat won't let me hook one up. He demands that I keep beating the dead one I have. My wagon has been sitting here by the side of the road for years. This horse I am beating smells to high heaven. I just saw USDTV go by with a similar almost dead horse. I felt sorry for it. But then there was a moment of joy. LG came along with some magic oats and both horses looked like they might have a chance. Then LG pulled out a gun and shot them both. We shouldn't be whining, your right, we should be weeping and wailing and rending our clothes. Of course we could also shoot the cop. The republicans always wanted to get rid of the FCC. Where is a good republican when you need them, states rights, the deficit, run away spending, loss of individual rights, privacy gone to hell. We have to throw the impostors out and get some real republicans it office before we self destruct. We are involved in trying to get any business plan to work in the new age of digital TV. I don't see anyone else doing so except USDTV and to some extent Sinclair and Emmis. We have the weird actions of the FCC whose answer to the problem is to infest TV sets with cheap 8-VSB receivers untested and not requiring any performance at all that I know of. And now we have the Congress getting ready to set a hard deadline, something I totally agree with, and distribute tens of millions of receivers to OTA dependent demographically challenged citizens. All this without a clue as to how they will perform accept the word of RCA and a demo in a hearing room of reception of 8-VSB that was interrupted by someone touching the antenna. They are desperate that everything is OK. They do not want to know anything about what is to hit them when these 8-VSB receivers start malfunctioning in apartments across our cities. They sent the GAO to Berlin with blinders on as to modulation and now think they can duplicate Berlin in the US with 8-VSB. Berlin where they meticulously tested and probed the market for years. Where they made sure coverage and reception was close to perfect. Where they, incidentally, have a modulation that works. We are getting a COFDM modulation of one kind or another, it is just a matter of after how long a wait and after how much pain we are willing to suffer. Bob Miller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.