John Willkie wrote: > However, there is some room for maneuvering. Imagine, for example, if> error-free ATSC M/H transmissions could qualify as the free, SDTV-equivalent
> transmissions required under the Act.I think that would still basically be 8vsb, with any limitations that implied. Most specifically, if 8vsb requires more FEC overhead (unproven, but possible) than others then the actual payload of the rest of the stream would also suffer.
Note however a very low bit rate and generally non-receivable SDTV stream also qualifies as the minimum. But the rest is still 8vsb, possibly with some extra training and FEC support.
So if 8vsb is good then only a small amount is needed for the minimum SDTV stream and the rest is gravy. And if 8vsb is not good then the rest of the stream is probably questionable no matter what you do.
1 month. - Tom
What is this, an annual unthinking pronouncement of yours? You've been predicting such radical changes for about 9 years, and none has happened. It certainly won't happen on your suggestion. If the modulation scheme doesn't work well enough, a new modulation scheme won't replace 8-vsb; television will just die, becoming non-existent in a media world with many new choices. Nobody wants to replace the embedded base of receivers, Bob. No broadcaster will want to signal that receivers need to be replaced, since broadcasterswill be blamed for the message and cost of such replacement.However, there is some room for maneuvering. Imagine, for example, if error-free ATSC M/H transmissions could qualify as the free, SDTV-equivalent transmissions required under the Act. I don't want to think too much about what would have to come about to make this something broadcasters and their viewers desired, but it is within the realm of possibility. However, such a position would need to be nuanced; it obsoletes the billions of dollars that consumers have spent on digital television sets and stbs. John Willkie -----Mensaje original----- De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Bob Miller Enviado el: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:45 AM Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [opendtv] Re: Kennard and Powell to the rescue Within one year of the transition broadcasters themselves will be asking for a better modulation. Bob Miller On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Tom Barry wrote:To me it seems equally likely because of 8vsb multipath that you will need 1/4 rate FEC instead of 1/2 rate. And that more or less delivers only half the usable payload, pretty much eliminating even mobile AVC video if you started with only 1 mbps out of an ATSC stream.It would be nice to have the C/N margin requirements for the different modes spelled out in A/153, however I would like to point out that some applications of M/H could have more to do with compensating for lower transmit power than more multipath, depending how it gets put to use. John Shutt complained years ago that there's no way for a broadcaster to reach its audience when it needs to cut its power for maintenance reasons. This could be a way, and 1/2 rate would likely be just fine for this application. Anyway, Part 2, Table 6.1, says that if you want 1/4 rate for the entire robust stream, you need to take 1.8 Mb/s of the 19.39 Mb/s in order to provide one 312 Kb/s robust channel. That's still not unreasonable. Or, if you insist on taking 0.917 Mb/s only from the 19.39 Mb/s, 154.6 Mb/s of 1/4 rate robust stream. That's probably not good for anything but small screens. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings atFreeLists.org- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the wordunsubscribe in the subject line.----------------------------------------------------------------------You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings atFreeLists.org- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.----------------------------------------------------------------------You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
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