[opendtv] Re: ISPs denied entry into apartment buildings could get help from FCC
- From: Craig Birkmaier <brewmastercraig@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 07:28:18 -0400
On Jun 5, 2017, at 10:46 PM, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
Been over this too many times to have to repeat. I have two choices. Is that
"multiple," in your vocabulary?
consisting of, having, or involving several or many individuals, parts,
elements, relations, etc.; manifold.
The 4G "options" don't count, because we don't get strong enough signal to
provide any sort of broadband. Voice is about it. And that's going to be the
rule, not the exception, for 4G. Either you aren't close enough to the base
station, to get what is advertised as the bit rate, or too many users come in
the cell, creating exactly the same effect. That's why 4G, for fixed
broadband, is not enough. That's why the ISPs are testing out fixed 5G.
WHich means that in a few years your two HIGH-SPEED options will become 5 or 6.
The answer is found in one word: WIRELESS
Once again, I have covered this ground too many times to circle back to
square 1. In short, Craig, if wireless was the answer today, what on earth
are all these ISPs rushing to 5G about?
We are not talking about the sad state of affairs today Bert, born out of
natural monopoly regulation.
We are talking about creating a competitive marketplace with MULTIPLE options
moving forward. This may take a few years, but it is now obvious that the
technical evolution will once again enable REAL competition.
The companies talking about fixed 5G now are the same ones that provide
broadband now, in those neighborhoods
Really? Does AT&T offer broadband in your neighborhood - apparently not, since
you say you only have two options: Cox and Verizon.
Does Sprint offer broadband in your neighborhood?
Does T-Mobile offer broadband in your neighborhood?
Does Century Link offer broadband in your neighborhood?
Does Google offer broadband in your neighborhood?
Will you have ALL of these options in the future?
Probably not. Even highly competitive markets do not have an unlimited number
of competitors. BUT, if the providers attempt to charge monopoly prices for
broadband in your area there will be an incentive to compete in your market.
In reality it is likely that you WILL see fixed broadband from all of the
existing cellular carriers as this is a logical extension of their business.
Likewise you will see traditional MVPDs like Comcast and Cox compete in the
market for cellular.
However, IF the situation changes, PERHAPS competition among broadband ISPs
will emerge. Today, it's not the case. If it becomes the case, then
neutrality guarantees won't be as essential.
You need to start to tear down the regulatory morass somewhere Bert. Waiting is
not the solution. Eliminating the regulatory morass and promoting real
competition is the answer.
With wireless broadband there is NOTHING to keep multiple services
from competing for broadband,
Two things: spectrum availability (4G), and the investment in the required
Much of the backhaul already exists, especially in your area. I would add that
point-to-point wireless backhaul is a WELL ESTABLISHED industry.
As for spectrum, there are still large chunks that have not been exploited for
4G - the spectrum made available via the recent broadcast auction will not be
available for several years.
Much more important, spectrum is not exactly scarce for 5G. But FCC policy, and
Federal policy in general, as it relates to selling spectrum versus allocating
unlicensed spectrum will play a major role here.
Also been over this before. Why don't you try moving beyond, Craig? You've
already argued yourself past this point before. You already acknowledged that
spectrum would be an issue. In any kind of very high density environment,
spectrum will become a major issue.
No Bert, I DID NOT argue that spectrum would be an issue for 5G. I DID educate
you, and the rest of the people on this list, about the physical limitations of
5G and the FACT that it will be complementary to the existing 3G/4G
infrastructure, enabling point-to-point and micro-cell coverage.
And we have had discussions about unlicensed 5G spectrum and spectrum sharing
across multiple standards including 5G and WiFi.
Because each owner would have to pay more, the more companies are allowed to
participate. If the entire condo can agree on one provider, chances are good
that at least initially, each owner will be given a really sweet deal.
Yes, that tends to be the case today. Physically wiring an entire complex is
expensive, but once it is done it provides a competitive advantage. I will
re-iterate that almost all condos already have the POTS infrastructure for DSL,
and the hybrid fiber/coax infrastructure for TV/broadband.
When fixed wireless becomes an option there will be NO BARRIER to additional
The provider will have good reason to offer such sweet deals. It's all about
ROI. And the FCC would have nothing to say about it.
I think you are a confusing two issues here. Rentals and Condos are very
different. With rentals the service provider does offer sweet deals to the
complex, as every unit will be paying for service. With condos there are no
sweet deals, other than those that are offered to every single family dwelling.
My son lives in a condo with four units in his building (about 30 in the
complex). He is offered the same services and rates that I am offered in a
single family home.
If a rental complex includes a MVPD or broadband service in the rent
it may be more difficult to opt out...
Which is not a good answer, but it does show how anti-competitive these local
monopoly schemes are.
How is this anti-competitive?
It is commonplace here in Gainesville to include broadband in rental agreements
for students. That service may be provided by Cox Cable or GRU-Net.
The issue I was raising is that when a service is bundled in a rental
agreement, opting out may be more difficult - the leasing agent would need to
reduce the rent by some amount if the renter opted out of the service included
in their lease. This is why the FCC is looking into the issues related to
providing competitive service in multi-unit buildings.
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