Craig Birkmaier wrote: > This is informative. I will admit that it is not clear to me why IP > multicasts cannot be relied upon from large portals through the WAN > to the ISPs. Until now, with IPv4, one problem is address space. Multicast (Class D) addresses are subdivided into different categories, so there aren't that many available for global distribution to anyone who wants to use multicast. So, it becomes more of a network-by-network structure. If an ISP wants to create the same multicast in many of his local networks, i.e. in multiple "markets," the multicasts are typically tunneled through the WAN, and then the extra overhead stripped off and the multicast transmitted as a multicast, but only within the confines of each local network run by that ISP. Another problem is that multicast is inherently, per its original design concept, unable keep track of individual multicast users. That is the advantage of multicast, after all, that you can send the same packets to any number of devices, without the source having to know much of anything. Much like TV transmitters, in this regard. Even from the receiver side, receivers joining multicast groups aren't even supposed to announce themselves, unless they are the first to do so in a given IP subnet. All of this to make the scheme efficient, keeping background traffic at a minimum, and also keeping as little state information in the network as possible. (That's been IP's huge advantage over other schemes such as ATM.) So network operators felt they couldn't manage this well enough, and have stayed away from using multicast. I've seen more than one scheme proposed in an Internet Draft, and then disappear after the Draft expired. There is one active IP Multicast Receiver Access Control Draft document out there, as of now. It's not an RFC yet. And different ISP nets have also been "rolling their own" schemes. (Or just staying away from multicast.) > It is also obvious that the mboned group has been tasked with making > all of this work with full access control by the content providers > who colocate servers. Whether this is intended to continue leveraging > the MVPD bundles for authorization, or will lead to smaller bundles > of programming controlled by paid apps remains to be seen... Yup. For multicast, organizing the permissions in bundles is probably as advantageous as it is now in MVPD nets. But I really think that the "by appointment" nature of IP multicast programming will keep it restricted mostly to live news and sports. For unicast streams, which you use in VOD, of course the server can and must keep track of each client. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.