I tested the 5th GEN with Zenith. What I tested worked well, and led to our statements of the same... //www.freelists.org/archives/opendtv/06-2004/msg00113.html What's the issue? I am waiting along with the rest of the DTV community for availability... Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Willkie" <JohnWillkie@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:43 AM Subject: [opendtv] Re: How about a roast of Bert at NAB? > You OBVIOUSLY don't know Mark Schubin. The tests led him to believe that > 8-VSB can work, and he announced it that day. I'll take his word as > "gospel." > > John Willkie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 8:59 PM > Subject: [opendtv] Re: How about a roast of Bert at NAB? > > >> Bob Miller wrote: >> >> Who does not want good inexpensive stand >> > alone 8-VSB receivers on the market and how do they get to anyone who >> > might build one and keep it off the market. >> >> Well, if we really want to get paranoid, maybe the most recent Shubin >> apartment tests were rigged, deceptive, or otherwise non-reproducible >> somehow. (??) In that case maybe no one yet really knows how to make >> good inexpensive stand alone 8-VSB receivers. >> >> Heck, to some extent that is what happened with the other 4 generations >> so maybe it's time to get skeptical again. ;-) >> >> - Tom >> >> >> >> > No problem switching to the 8-VSB mindset. After all we were one of >> > the >> > first to test LG's 5th gen receiver and have been trying to buy then >> > ever since. So I will use even minimally workable 8-VSB receivers if I >> > can get them. That was true in 1999 as it is today. So far no luck. >> > >> > But at least now I know they are possible which leaves open the >> > question >> > of why they are not being produced in quantity as we speak. Something >> > happened to turn Hisense around on a dime and LG off making stand alone >> > receivers. >> > >> > Maybe someday someone will write a book explaining all the weirdness >> > that goes on in this business. Who does not want good inexpensive stand >> > alone 8-VSB receivers on the market and how do they get to anyone who >> > might build one and keep it off the market. >> > >> > On the other hand does anyone know someone that would build such a >> > receiver in the face of whatever the pressure is that is being exerted? >> > >> > I am becoming a conspiratorialist which has been against my nature and >> > mother nature IMO for that matter. :'( >> > >> > Bob Miller >> > >> > >> > >> > Kon Wilms wrote: >> > >> > >> >>You don't get to nominate yourself. Sheesh, the nerve! I heard that the >> >>award guarantees you will immediately switch your mindset over to 8VSB >> >>and never again rock the boat. >> >> >> >>Speaking of years - I just realized I've been doing this datacasting >> >>boondoggle for over 10 years now - man oh man. >> >> >> >>BTW If we roast Bert at NAB who gets the apple? >> >> >> >>Cheers >> >>Kon >> >> >> >>On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 17:49 -0500, Bob Miller wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>How about a "Maybe he will survive but he has never really been in >> >>>broadcasting yet Wanabee" award for the likes of Bob Miller? I feel > like >> >>>I have been in broadcasting for 15 years at least. I could use an > award, >> >>>I have space on the wall for a certificate and the guarantees sound >> >>>good. What do they guarantee BTW? >> >>> >> >>>Bob Miller >> >>> >> >>>Larry Bloomfield wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>The Order of the Iron Test Pattern is over 25 years old. Once upon a > time we >> >>>>had 2-3000 members. In those days, you had to be in broadcasting 15 > years to >> >>>>apply. That is no longer necessary. Now, like then, you had to be a > survivor >> >>>>of the broadcast industry. That can be true of someone after their > first >> >>>>day. There are no fees, dues, etc. We do sell certificates to hand on > your >> >>>>wall, which come with 2 guarantees. And we have lapel pins. We do an > annual >> >>>>awards meeting at NAB every year. One year we gave the Iron Couch > Potato >> >>>>award to Gene Pooley. Pooley, while working for Zenith many years >> >>>>ago, >> >>>>invented the remote control - thereby making possible couch potatoes. > It's a >> >>>>toung-in-cheek group and we're out to have good clean fun. >> >>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >> > >> > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org >> > >> > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. >> > >> > >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >> >> - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org >> >> - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.