I guess Bert just can't take no for an answer. And I can't ignore him... ;-) At 7:31 PM -0500 3/1/05, Manfredi, Albert E wrote: >Try to think this through, Craig, for once. If >people all over the country watch the same >nationwide channels, why do you have to restrict >the OTA coverage to little cookie-cutter zones? I have though this through many times Bert. Would you like me to forward a few thousand posts to this list that discuss this very subject? While it is true that we tend to watch popular content that is distributed nationally, the basis for our broadcast infrastructure is not national, it is market based. I understand that you DO NOT see any reason why a market based system is either useful or desirable, but your views are not shared in the broadcast industry, in Congress, or in the thousands of communities across this country that are profiting from the current market based system and the regulations that protect it. The reality is that these little cookie-cutter zones are critical to the underlying model of commercial broadcasting. It's about advertising. With a national system, only national brands would have an incentive to advertise. But most commerce is local, thus a significant portion of advertising is local. You are complaining about "zones" that encompass hundreds or thousands of square miles. Many advertisers want to reach consumers in zones that encompass just a few city blocks or square miles. Direct Mail can reach individuals in a single zip code. Newspapers also offer zoned advertising based on zip codes; many newspapers in large cities print multiple editions with local news of interest to sub-markets within the market they serve. Cable systems have been offering zoned advertising for a number of years. Only the DBS services currently rely on national advertising exclusively, but this in not by choice. They are moving to deliver local stations across the land, and more important to deliver localized and personalized ads via their systems. The basis for broadcast regulation, especially must carry/retransmission consent, is cookie-cutter markets. The basis for cable systems is local franchises. As Joe Barton says, "Always dance with those who brung you." The history of protecting local markets goes way way back, and there is nothing to indicate that this is likely to change. I am responding - again - because you do such a good job of teeing up these issues for me to comment on - please don't tell anyone that this is part of our deal :-X. > >Show me where Paris and 30-mile distant Mantes >are separate markets requiring separate TV >programs. So because they use low power >transmitters, they had to use up more frequencies >in order to install translators. Even low power >transmitters cause interference in adjacent >markets, you know. That's why they use >translators in Paris and Mantes. Bigger sticks, >or SFNs, would have needed only one frequency >for each program channel. The popular programs that broadcasters carry are largely irrelevant to this discussion - they are merely vehicles to deliver the ads. The only local content that has consistently delivered eyeballs is news. I would suggest that there is a great deal of local content that would be appealing, but only to a small percentage of viewers within a market of sub-market. As we have discussed many times, broadcasters can make more money running syndicated programs and infomercials than with local content. In order to deliver the local niche audiences you need a system that can deliver the bits profitably to small audiences - this is just too much bother for broadcasters who are accustomed to picking the low hanging fruit. What is different about Paris and Mantes? Could it be the same thing as the difference between Washington D.C. or Baltimore and where you live? Do you drive to Washington or Baltimore to buy groceries? Do you drive 50 miles to a Home Depot when there is one around the corner? Do you only support restaurants in the big cities, or do you have some local favorites? The trend is to make advertising even more localized and personalized. Cable and DBS are moving in the direction of targeting ads to individual homes, not just neighborhoods. Broadcasters CAN do the same, IF the infrastructure is designed properly to support it. You raise the issue of market into market interference, and rightly note that even low power transmitters can interfere with one another. While this is somewhat true, it is far less problematic than the interference from high powered transmitters on big sticks. One of the first TV stations I worked for was WLCY-TV Channel 10 in Tampa St. Petersburg. I had the privilege of working with Cliff Benham at this station in the early '70s. We had a big problem with a little stick. The station was originally assigned a UHF channel, but in those days (early '60s) most TV sets did not have UHF tuners. Another station (channel 38 I think) went dark for lack of an audience. So WLCY requested a drop-in on VHF channel 10 - no other VHF channels were available and channel 10 was problematic. The problem is that channel 10 is used in Miami and Tallahassee. The distance from the Miami antenna farm (near the Dade/Broward county line) to the Tampa antenna farm in Riverview is about 275 miles. In between are a large number of communities that would be affected by interference. The solution was to move the tower to New Port Richie, about 50 miles northwest. This actually placed the tower at the north end of the Tampa St. Pete market, (a grade B area for the other stations in the market) and only a bit more than 250 miles from Tallahassee. But the interference zone between the markets is mostly the Gulf of Mexico and some sparsely populated areas in what is called the Big Bend - mostly low lying swampy areas. Being on the north end of the market it was also possible to use masks to limit radiation to the north. There was one other problem. The tower site in New Port Richie was in the flight approach path for Tampa International Airport. Because of this the tower height was limited to 500 feet. As a result, WLCY managed to put a grade B signal out over most of the Tampa/St. Petersburg market. And to get the drop-in, we were required to deliver 20 hours of local public service content each week. I spent most of my time producing and directing these shows. Eventually the station was allowed to increase the tower height, and now provides a strong signal over the market. What does all of this tell us? For one thing, VHF power levels are much lower than for many UHF stations, but the propagation characteristics are not the same. In most cases, the spacing between transmitters on the same channel must be greater than 250 miles. Maximum interference probably occurs in the area that is between 100 and 125 miles out from the adjacent markets. The result is vast taboo zones where a frequency cannot be re-used by ANYONE. This is the real spectral efficiency problem with big sticks when markets are NOT geographically isolated. Now what happens when we reduce the tower height and the power levels? Huge areas are opened up for re-use of that frequency. Not only that, but natural terrain blocking may limit interference to other markets, and you can put masks on the transmitters to limit radiation to the desired coverage area. In densely populate areas it may be necessary to checkerboard the use of several frequencies to prevent local interference, but this is MUCH easier to control with a mesh of lower powered transmitters and gap fillers. The result is that every market can expect to have at least partial use of 30 or more channels in the core spectrum (2-52). And you can localize some of these frequencies to provide bandwidth for services that are only attractive to sub markets. Bert likes to complain about the number of towers/transmitters it would take to build out SFNs. I wonder if he ever considered how many towers it takes to make the current system work. I don't have the exact figures at hand, but as of December 2004, this is the breakdown on the number of licensed TV and radio stations in the U.S.: AM RADIO 4774 FM RADIO 6218 FM EDUCATIONAL 2533 _____________________________________________ TOTAL 13525 UHF COMMERCIAL TV 777 VHF COMMERCIAL TV 589 UHF EDUCATIONAL TV 257 VHF EDUCATIONAL TV 125 _____________________________________________ TOTAL 1748 CLASS A UHF STATIONS 493 CLASS A VHF STATIONS 110 _____________________________________________ TOTAL 603 FM TRANSLATORS & BOOSTERS 3890 UHF TRANSLATORS 2631 VHF TRANSLATORS 1823 _____________________________________________ TOTAL 8344 UHF LOW POWER TV 1553 VHF LOW POWER TV 481 _____________________________________________ TOTAL 2034 If we consider JUST full power AM/FM/TV, that's more than 15,000 broadcast facilities. Many stations share tower space, so the actual number of towers is significantly smaller; for discussion purposes let's say half, or about 7500 towers. There are more than 200 TV markets in the U.S. and even more radio markets. So let's say 250 markets, or an average of 30 towers per market. Seems to me that a properly designed mesh of transmitters could SUBSTANTIALLY cut down on the number of towers that blight the landscape today. More important, we could eliminate MANY of the big towers that cause problems in terms of siting, airplane crashes, and the death of migratory birds. See: Wireless Telecommunications Bureau on Avatar Environmental, LLC Report Regarding Migratory Bird Collisions With Communications Towers http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/audio/DA-04-3891A1.pdf Now how bad is that? You get better spectral efficiency, fewer/lower towers, more access for niche content providers, and the potential for a wide range of new services, not to mention a real competitor for cable and DBS. >I'm not advocating nationwide SFNs, of course. >That would be silly. But I do expect you to >make sensible arguments based on reality, and >to understand the concept of multiple viable >solutions to a problem. What you are advocating is nationwide high power transmission system that knows no market boundaries. Just let the conglomerates take total control. I fully understand that there are multiple viable solutions to a problem. For example ATSC, DVB and DMB. I also understand that each market is unique and that the correct solution for each market is unique; and yes this may involve some big high powered transmitters where market into market interference is not an issue. I also understand that big high powered sticks are NOT a viable solution in every market. They ARE the problem. > >In the US, we do have legitimately separate >markets close together (thanks to the FCC caps). This has NOTHING to do with FCC ownership caps. It has everything to do with geography and where people choose to live. >But they are also huge markets, requiring wide >coverage. Not so hard to understand, right? Apparently it is for you Bert. Would you like me to forward a few hundred posts where I have specifically stated that big sticks are an important part of the overall system in the areas where you need to cover large, sparsely populated areas? Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.