[opendtv] Re: HDTV DVB-T receiver for the UK
- From: "John Willkie" <JohnWillkie@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:48:30 -0800
knicker-twisting seems to be endemic here. It's also possible that a square
is a circle, and that night is really day. It's possible to pee into the
wind and not get a drop on you. But, less than likely.
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. How about if we try to return to somewhat realistic
world of the living?
John Willkie
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From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: [opendtv] Re: HDTV DVB-T receiver for the UK
>
>
> Manfredi, Albert E wrote:
> The question ought to be, given that 8-VSB
> > receivers have been designed to work right, given
> > that the working solutions were supposed to be on
> > the market last quarter, *now* what's the holdup?
>
> I'm not sure all that is a given. It is possible the receiver demo'd at
> Marks apartment was a one shot deal that for some reason worked
> (effectively) only in similar situations for some reason and not well in
> the general case. It is also possible it contained very expensive
> circuitry that cannot be effectively produced and marketed yet,
> regardless of what is claimed for some soon-arriving integrated TV's.
>
> But even assuming it was really the promised miracle chip I still do not
> really see who would stand to gain by holding it off the market. It
> would seem even Zenith would make more licensing it productively to
> other STB makers than they would using it to gain a competitive
> advantage in their TV sales. I don't think most people buy HD displays
> based upon the quality of the ATSC receiver anyway. My last AVS
> hardware poll showed only a tiny percentage of HD watch using integrated
> ATSC tuners.
>
> Everybody is asking who stands to gain. I have no idea but am open to
> suggestions.
>
> - Tom
>
> > Tom Barry wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I've obviously become somewhat disgruntled on
> >>this myself. I figured that if it was only chip
> >>complexity that was the problem then Moore's Law
> >>would solve it for us.
> >>
> >>But having apparently been fooled one more time
> >>I am not very inclined at the moment to believe
> >>further promises.
> >>
> >>The modulation standard debate in the USA
> >>certainly does seem settled. And I don't know
> >>even know if COFDM would be any better.
> >
> >
> > That last sentence is really the whole point. If
> > I were to subscribe to conspiracy theories, I'd
> > say that those responsible for keeping the good
> > 8-VSB receivers out of the market would do exactly
> > the same thing with COFDM products. They would
> > make sure that the ones sold here would have
> > inadequate dynamic range and inadequate
> > selectivity, knowing full well that those two
> > measurements are critical in US markets.
> >
> >
> >>But I can certainly still voice the opinion that
> >>there is still something suspiciously wrong with
> >>ATSC.
> >
> >
> > Something might seem suspiciously wrong, but not
> > necessarily with the ATSC. Who is likely to gain
> > if OTA doesn't work any better with DTT than it
> > did with analog? Not the broadcasters.
> >
> > All I'm saying is that if we're looking for
> > ulterior motives, now that obviously well designed
> > 8-VSB receivers have been proven to be feasible,
> > we should move beyond the self pity (even outright
> > groveling) about ATSC and take in a broader view,
> > no? The question ought to be, given that 8-VSB
> > receivers have been designed to work right, given
> > that the working solutions were supposed to be on
> > the market last quarter, *now* what's the holdup?
> >
> > Bert
> >
> >
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