[opendtv] Re: Google Fiber and Verizon FiOS
- From: Craig Birkmaier <brewmastercraig@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 22:08:52 -0400
On Sep 4, 2016, at 10:12 PM, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Craig Birkmaier wrote:
That's exactly what you would expect them to do, as that's the
business they are in. But it would be STUPID to over provision
before the demand is there.
You seem to struggle with the concept of rate of change.
Sorry, but you are the one struggling...
You talk like this will all be over in a few years.
That ain't happening.
This is not a binary function. This is something that has been going on for
many years, and will continue to do so.
Yup. And it will keep going on for many more years.
Get it? It's not like the ISPs have to wait around. They have never been
waiting around. Nor have people who use streaming been waiting around.
Exactly. They are deploying at a pace that is keeping up with demand.
Sorry, not possible unless they run fiber to every neighborhood
Same as HFC. If your PON passes, say, 300 or 500 homes, that means the fiber
is deployed in every neighborhood.
Sorry, but it does not work that way. To get high speed with G.fast, the
distances must be much shorter than with HFC. But it does not matter because
the U.S telcos are not deploying Fiber for G.Fast; if you get that close you
might as well deploy FTTP.
The same applies to telcos. They need to deploy fiber closer and closer to
homes, as the speed per home goes up. Fiber has to run to the point from
which multiple DSL lines are sourced. With ADSL, the max distance was 4 km.
With VDSL, depending on speed, that distance is reduced to 1.5 km, on down to
300 m. The higher the rate, the closer the fiber gets to each home.
Eventually, FTTH is the answer. But you can get very adequate DSL speeds
without going to the extent of FTTH. For instance, 25+ Mb/s with 1 km max
distance. And all the while avoiding the expensive house calls.
But the telcos are not deploying this technology.
Action sports need at least 10 Mbps.
Which is much less than 25/3 service. And you are stuck in time with H.264,
where H.265 is coming.
For one stream. Now add streams for the kids and other members of the household.
Funny how important HD was to you two decades ago
... when Craig was saying that all we ever need is 480p.
Never said that. I always supported progressive scan HD. But I also noted that
there would be many applications that do not require HD...like the mobile
devices that have small screens, and people like yourself, who refuse to pay
for HD quality service.
Now Craig finds 480p inadequate.
Really? It is perfectly adequate for many applications and TV screens up to
about 40" diagonal.
The simple fact is, Craig, you do not need 25/3 service for HDTV, especially
not with H.265 compression. So your assertion that your legacy MPEG-2 TS
broadcast gives better image quality is wrong. In fact, in cable systems,
those legacy streams still use MPEG-2 compression.
Give it up Bert.
We're not talking about one HD stream; we are talking about replacing a MVPD
service that may be delivering 3-4 HD streams simultaneously, not to mention
other data services. The cable systems still use MPEG-2 because they have the
bandwidth to do it properly, not to mention tens of millions of deployed MPEG-2
STBs.
Then there is the reality that the rated speed for a broadband service is "best
case."
I have service rated at 50 Mbps downstream. Sometimes I get 60 Mbps.
Right now it 14.35 Mbps. My old DSL service often dropped well below 1 Mbps.
We've had some issues because of the hurricane here in Gainesville. For some
reason ESPN is currently NOT available on cable. So I am streaming the FSU/Miss
game on my Apple TV via Watch ESPN. The image quality is good, but the frame
rate is probably half of what the cable feed would be (30P rather than 60P).
We still have a long way to go before 116 million homes can stream everything.
They want people to buy bundles Bert.
Like CBS All Access?
Useless. They don't stream the most important content offered by CBS.
How many subscribers for CBS All Access?
Different models, Craig. You are stuck in the past.
Experiments Bert.
People are not going to pay $7/mo for each network they watch.
Different formats, Craig, and not necessarily does each site need content
from every TV network. You were claiming that every site needs to license
content from everyone, which is clearly false.
Never claimed that. But an Internet MVPD service needs content from everyone if
it is going to replace cable and DBS MVPD bundles.
Economics limit how many businesses can provide broadband.
You have not explained how mandated net neutrality changes anything about how
many companies can realistically compete, Craig. Explain that.
I have explained it multiple times, and provided multiple articles that confirm
this.
The economics do not add up with existing technologies, and the very real
potential for FCC rate regulation adds to the economic risk. Title II and the
high cost of spectrum have entrenched the cable and telco incumbents.
Regards
Craig
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