[opendtv] Re: Global Warming Discussion
- From: "nat ostroff" <nostroff@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:46:18 -0500
While this is off topic there is a strong conection betwen the number of sun
spots in a peak of the sun spot cycle and the historical tempurtures on
earth. For example: During the "little ice age" back in the 15th and 16th
century the sun bearly produced any sun spots for a number of cycles. In
modern times the peak number of sun spots during the cycle has been
increasing at each peak to levels not seen historically. The sun spots can
be related to high energy particles being thrown off by the sun. Now, given
that we are seeing this today and taking the "little ice age" as an example
of low peak spot counts are we just seeing a solar peak in energy output
over the last 100 years? There is one other interesting piece of data. The
ice caps on Mars have been melting for the last 50 years.
Human activity may be increasing the effects but we, as humans, are not
totally to blame. ( A blow to our egos, no doubt). Hence, reducing the CO2
output may not have much effect on temps but it will have enormous effects
on civilization.
I suggest that anyone interested check the recorded data for the peak
numbers of sun spots over the last 300 years and compare ot the dates of the
"little ice age". The data is easily found on the Internet.
Nat Ostroff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen W. Long" <longsw@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: [opendtv] Global Warming Discussion
> Well, since I am bored this afternoon, I might as well add two cents to
this
> Global Warming discussion. I think many of the tree huggers are all wrong
> about the CAUSE of warming. Based on what I know about solar and earth
> physics, the most probable cause of the heat is that the magnetic field of
> the earth is getting ready to "flip." All of the indications of wild
swings
> in magnetic variation in the South Atlantic and other places on the globe
> point to a major decrease in magnetic field and a pole flip happening in
> less than geologic time. One side effect of the magnetic field decreasing
> is that more high speed (energetic) particles from the sun hit the earths
> atmosphere. Last time I checked, more high speed particles translate to
> more energy which means more heat. There is some literature that thinks
the
> majority of the heating/cooling cycles of the earth (ice ages / heat ages)
> are directly caused by swings in the magnetic field and minor wobbles in
the
> Earth's orbit. If we just "flip" the poles (N becomes S, S becomes N)
then
> we can go on living. If the field collapses and stays collapsed, we are
all
> basically dead anyway - too much radiation hitting the earth's surface.
>
> So, the 100 billon dollar question I want an answer to is, is the earth
> warming because of higher CO2 or is there more CO2 because the earth is
> heating up? I have yet to see a single discussion in the media on
> alternative causes of heating the earth. I do believe the earth is
> warming - those facts are very clear. I just want a more scientific basis
> for WHAT is causing the heating. Every "news" show I see shows a graph of
> rising CO2 levels and rise in temp. I suspect what is really going on is
> that the rise in temp. causes higher CO2. So, before we totally destroy
the
> economies of all of the 1st world by stopping all sources of CO2, it would
> be useful to have some proof first.
>
> Stephen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of John Willkie
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 3:47 PM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: A Station Group with a Future
>
>
> You should have heard the discourse on coast to coast am last weekend by a
> scientist who believes there is global warming, but took apart the faulty
> models employed.
>
> One of his major issues: they don't deal with solar temperature. He said
> that the one used in this edition of the report is better than the earlier
> one, but still seriously flawed.
>
> Once again, what are we going to do about the sun?
>
> John Willkie
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Cliff Benham
> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:39 PM
> > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [opendtv] Re: A Station Group with a Future
> >
> > How do computers 'over-predict' anything?
> > Last I knew, they were still being built and programmed by humans.
> >
> > John Shutt wrote:
> >
> > > The question is, who is getting paid to lie?
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > http://ff.org/centers/csspp/pdf/20070201_monckton.pdf
> > >
> > > IPCC Fourth Assessment Report
> > > 2007
> > > Analysis and Summary
> > > February 2007
> > > by Christopher Monckton
> > > Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
> > >
> > > ...the tendency of computers to over-predict rises in temperature and
> > > sea level has forced a major rethink.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Benham"
<flyback1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >
> > >> Did you mean 'lying for money'?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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