On 11/16/06, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Barry Wilkins wrote: > If, as you say Bob, "the reality in the US is virtually no > one is even interested in OTA. Retailers, consumers and > broadcasters are all showing little to no interest in OTA." > then what is the point of this discussion? Who IS > interested? I wouldn't automatically take the word of the disgruntled as gospel, however, Barry. The percentage of OTA TV users in the US is almost positively higher than that of, for example, Germany. And yet "the disgruntled" will tell you that Germany is a huge success story. Granted, I'm talking percentage that use analog or digital OTA. Still, OTA TV has a respectable following in the Colonies.
Germany is not the best COFDM story but compared to the US it is very successful. www.dvb.org says... "DVB-T penetration increases Recent reports put the number of DVB-T receivers sold in Germany at 5 million up to August 2006. 3.5 million of these were set top boxes and IDTV's, and the remaining 1.5 million were PC cards, USB sticks, pocket receivers and in-car receivers. Source: DVB Item added: 4th October 2006" Households in Germany are at 38 million The penetration is 13.2%. We are only talking of OTA digital here. Do you really think that the US has a "respectable" OTA DTV following? Do you have numbers I don't know of? Most of those who have OTA on AVSForum have it because they have to. Can't get their local stations via satellite and will drop OTA as soon as they can get them via satellite. There are a few who cherish OTA because it is free and snub cable and satellite. They may even be respectable but their numbers sure are not.
> Of course this is all regrettable from the view of informed > consumers in many countries because had the USA embraced a > very attractive technology from a global perspective, it > would have benefited us all in economies of scale, the USA > included. But that's no problem. Economies of scale can be achieved. I showed a few weeks ago where global DTV sets are already marketed, I think from the UK, in fact. The differences between these schemes are very small.
Yes global economies of scale can be achieved and will be without the US participating or being of any help. If Chinese companies make world TV sets that include 8-VSB it will be after careful consideration and to lower inventory cost. 8-VSB may be the only one they leave out IMO. If they include 8-VSB then modulation after some time becomes irrelevant. What does it matter what a broadcasters anywhere uses if any TV set can handle that modulation. US broadcasters could use DMB-TH just as well as 8-VSB.
The problem here is mostly one of promotion, lack thereof. Look, digital radio took a long time to take off here. But now, at long last, FOTA radio broadcasters are promoting IBOC, and are doing an *infinitely* better job at it than the DTT broadcasters have ever done. For a long time, the IBOC CE vendors were passively waiting in the sidelines. But in short order, the effect of the recent promotion is showing.
IBOC is COFDM. Maybe that has something to do with it. Everybody gets on board if things work. That is my point right? Thanks for making it for me.
What I quote below is a press release by a vendor of IBOC digital radio. I fully acknowledge that it's a press release. But can anyone show me a similar press release from DTT vendors in the US? Promotion does work. People hear about digital radio, and the broadcasters make the system desirable to have. It gives more content than analog radio, and can give satellite radio a run for its money.
The last thing a retailer wants to do in the US is promote something that comes back and becomes open box specials that gather dust.
In fact, with all their bean-counter jitters, Sangean delayed so long that they probably missed the holiday season. If you put in an order today at Amazon, for their new AM/FM tuner, they claim it won't be shipped until 18 December. Which means unlikely to be delivered before Christmas. So far, other retailers aren't even giving an estimate. Radio broadcasters seem capable of promoting their product. TV broadcasters apparently cannot, because the cable and DBS folk won't let them. Amazing. I just don't buy that ATSC is the reason.
Given the right modulation there is no conspiracy theory I can think of that would restrict access to COFDM HDTV receivers of all kinds being sold in the millions though a thousand online outlets. Cable and satellite won't let them???? BS!! Bob Miller
Bert ------------------------------------------------- 2006-11-07 -Sangean America For several weeks now Sangean has been taking pre-orders in preparation for the holiday season and has been experiencing a dramatic surge in sales as a result of peaked interest in the prospects for HD Radio technology. Selwyn Winstock, VP of Sales & Marketing says that, "Two months ago if you had asked us how we felt about HD Radio we would have told you we were getting scared, but today we can say that we have never seen such an interest in a product we have released. We are seeing such an interest that we have had to focus our entire approach to this product line." HD Radio is coming, and in a fast way. Sangean is currently in negotiations to have a retail launch date of Nov. 24th, the infamous "Black Friday." In the next few weeks before the release Sangean will announce all the places you can buy these radios at, but for now they have reached agreements with Amazon.com, Fry's Electronics, J&R Music World in Manhattan, and Crutchfield. More are on the way and will be announced as they happen. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
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