[opendtv] Re: FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER DEVICES ON VACANT TV CHANNELS
- From: John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:36:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Dazed and confused you are.
Q paid Aloha partners $45 million for channel 55 somewhere on the West Coast.
I know of low power television stations in middle to large markets that went
for more than that. (With, by the way, no must-carry rights.)
So, if I am understanding your economic arguments (always a stuggle with your
neo-Marxism), this would drive down the value of TV stations to something akin
to fallow frequencies.
"What you think a channel is worth" is precisely equal to what you have offered
to pay for a 6 mhz channel. Have you ever won an auction? What did you bid?
If no, please multiply the amount you bid for a frequency segment to get the 6
mhz value.
I believe that we will find that you are b-sing still about value.
John Willkie
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Miller <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Oct 14, 2006 4:19 PM
>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [opendtv] Re: FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER DEVICES ON
>VACANT TV CHANNELS
>
>That is what those Congressional critters are dreaming up. How to
>allow must carry with no connection to a broadcast license. If they
>could figure that one out the coming auction would be a lot bigger
>already IMO.
>
>Value depends on the tools allowed. If you know when you can use the
>spectrum, what you can do with it and the tools you can use you can
>figure out a price. What is Qualcomm's channel 55 worth? National
>coverage, 6 MHz, almost any use, almost any tool.
>
>A lot. I don't think they have a clue however. Too wedded to their
>cellular phone mentality. Sort or like expecting Microsoft to come up
>with Goggle first.
>
>The closest to real worth paid so far though would be what Qualcomm
>paid Aloha Partners for their license to the sixth segment of Channel
>55 covering the west coast. My guess, $45 million but that is not 10%
>of what I think it is worth.
>
>Bob Miller
>
>On 10/14/06, Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Anybody know what a TV channel (bandwidth rights only) would be worth if
>> a stations were allowed to auction it off? And how about if they were
>> allowed to do it but somehow separately maintain must-carry rights for a
>> long period?
>>
>> - Tom
>>
>>
>> Bob Miller wrote:
>> > Somebody gets it! Be still my pacemaker (and numerous hospital type
>> > devices??)
>> >
>> > No one going to mention broadband over power lines or gas pipes? Of
>> > course neither of those will leak right?
>> >
>> > It looks like a full court press on OTA spectrum to me. Has since 2000.
>> >
>> > Like former Chairman Powell said in reference to the low numbers of
>> > viewers who still depend on OTA, "What are we protecting?"
>> >
>> > Doesn't look like they plan on protecting anything much. And what
>> > about that auction that is coming up? Many say it will dwarf the cell
>> > auction we just had that brought in $14 billion. So some upstart
>> > Congress-critter has to be day dreaming about just what channels 2-51
>> > would bring.
>> >
>> > The only fly in this ointment is the success that OTA is having over
>> > there, over just about any there. And this will all come to pass in
>> > early 2009??? Just after China shows off its new OTA at the Olympics
>> > in the summer of 2008.
>> >
>> > All the ammunition is dry and the pile is getting bigger. All someone
>> > has to do is lob in a small mortar round and we know what that looks
>> > like.
>> >
>> > Bob Miller
>> >
>> > On 10/13/06, flyback1 <flyback1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I see this as a not so subtle jab by the FCC at the free to air
>> >> broadcasters.
>> >>
>> >> Hunold, Ken wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Broadcasters *already* use this space, if only indirectly. Wireless
>> >> >microphones, for one, already use these frequencies in the TV band.
>> >> >This is a huge hornet's nest that has been kicked recently by these
>> >> >attempts to allow unlicensed devices to use these frequencies. There is
>> >> >much to suggest that these new devices will not play well with others.
>> >> >News, Sports, and Entertainment productions stand to be impacted greatly
>> >> >by this step. Just because there isn't a TV station operating on a
>> >> >frequency does not mean that it is "unused."
>> >> >
>> >> >Ken Hunold
>> >> >
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> >> >On Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E
>> >> >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 4:08 PM
>> >> >To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >Subject: [opendtv] FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER DEVICES ON
>> >> >VACANT TV CHANNELS
>> >> >
>> >> >A lot of positive opinions about this move to use the so-called TV white
>> >> >spaces, from each of the commissioners, is also available at
>> >> >http://www.fcc.gov/, under 12 October.
>> >> >
>> >> >The going-in assumption seems to be that this "unused" space would be
>> >> >used by Internet broadband access providers, and it would be unlicensed.
>> >> >But heck, if it's available, then why don't broadcasters themselves go
>> >> >for it? Depending what the specifics are to be, e.g. on power limits,
>> >> >broadcasters might make good use of it too, no?
>> >> >
>> >> >Are they permitted?
>> >> >
>> >> >Bert
>> >> >
>> >> >-------------------------------------
>> >> >http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-267867A1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: NEWS MEDIA CONTACT:
>> >> >October 12, 2006 Bruce Romano
>> >> >(202) 418-2470
>> >> >
>> >> >FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER
>> >> >DEVICES ON VACANT TV CHANNELS
>> >> >
>> >> >Washington, D.C. - The Commission today adopted a First Report and
>> >> >Order and Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking taking the first
>> >> >important steps toward allowing new low power devices to operate in the
>> >> >broadcast television spectrum at locations where channels in that
>> >> >spectrum are not in use by television stations or other authorized
>> >> >services. This action will enable the development of new and
>> >> >innovative types of devices and services for businesses and consumers.
>> >> >
>> >> >In the First Report and Order, the Commission concluded that fixed low
>> >> >power devices can be allowed to operate on TV channels in areas where
>> >> >those frequencies are not being used for TV or other incumbent licensed
>> >> >services. The Commission declined to permit operation on TV channel 37
>> >> >that is used by radio astronomy and wireless medical telemetry services;
>> >> >and on TV channels 52-69, which have been reallocated for public safety
>> >> >and other mobile services. It also declined to permit the operation of
>> >> >personal/portable devices on TV channels 14-20, which are used by public
>> >> >safety service in 13 cities, leaving for further consideration the issue
>> >> >of whether fixed devices might be used in that band. Marketing of such
>> >> >devices may commence on February 18, 2009, after the digital television
>> >> >(DTV) transition is complete and all TV stations are in operation on
>> >> >their permanent DTV channels.
>> >> >
>> >> >In the Further Notice, the Commission invited further comment on a
>> >> >number of issues that were raised in response to the Notice of Proposed
>> >> >Rule Making. It solicited additional information that is needed to
>> >> >determine whether personal/portable devices can operate in any of the TV
>> >> >channels without causing harmful interference. It also invited comment
>> >> >to explore whether low power devices should be permitted on TV channels
>> >> >2-4, which are used by TV interface devices such as VCRs, and whether
>> >> >fixed low power devices can be permitted on TV channels 14-20.
>> >> >
>> >> >The Commission made detailed technical proposals to facilitate use of a
>> >> >dynamic frequency selection (DFS) mechanism to ensure that TV band
>> >> >devices operate only on vacant TV channels. In addition, it sought
>> >> >further comment on implementation details for the geo-location and
>> >> >control signal interference avoidance approaches discussed in the Notice
>> >> >in this proceeding.
>> >> >
>> >> >The Commission reaffirmed its commitment to developing a complete record
>> >> >to ensure that the final rules will protect TV broadcasting and other
>> >> >service against harmful interference. In particular, it invited parties
>> >> >to submit test results showing that TV band devices will not cause
>> >> >harmful interference. In addition, the Commission noted that it plans
>> >> >to conduct extensive testing itself to assess the potential interference
>> >> >from low power devices operating in the TV bands before adopting final
>> >> >rules.
>> >> >
>> >> >The Commission also invited comment on the desirability of requiring
>> >> >licensing for devices operating in the TV bands. While the Commission
>> >> >noted that a majority of the commenters have expressed interest in
>> >> >operating low power devices in the TV bands on an unlicensed basis, it
>> >> >sought comments on the relative benefits of both the licensed and
>> >> >unlicensed approaches.
>> >> >
>> >> >Action by the Commission October 12, 2006, by First Report and Order and
>> >> >Further Notice of Proposed Rule Making (FCC 06-156). Chairman Martin,
>> >> >Commissioners Copps, Adelstein, Tate, and McDowell. Separate statements
>> >> >issued by Chairman Martin, Commissioners Copps, Adelstein, Tate and
>> >> >McDowell.
>> >> >
>> >> >Office of Engineering and Technology contact: Mr. Hugh L. Van Tuyl,
>> >> >(202) 418-7506, e-mail Hugh.VanTuyl@xxxxxxxx
>> >> >
>> >> >ET Docket Nos. 04-186 and 02-380.
>> >> >
>> >> >FCC-
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