[opendtv] Re: FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER DEVICES ON VACANT TV CHANNELS
- From: John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:34:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Happy to hear that one of your bets finally paid off. Do you always play long
shots?
As for the sellers, talk to Rogow and Spire. You need to be in the right
market at the right time. A tough challenge for everyone, but might be
insurmountable for you. If you need to know the name of their company or their
telephone number, you might not really be in the LPTV business. I'll be happy
to tell you in a private email. I've actually been to their offices on the
"Miracle Mile."
Oh yeah, they actually built their stations. They didn't sell bare
construction permits. I'm guessing that you just have bare cps. They probably
ain't worth squat, particularly without digital companion channels.
John Willkie
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Miller <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Oct 14, 2006 4:55 PM
>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [opendtv] Re: FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER DEVICES ON
>VACANT TV CHANNELS
>
>Didn't suggest that $45 million was a lot. It was a lot more than
>Aloha paid. They paid less than $3 million without looking it up. Not
>somewhere on the West Coast, the West Coast plus. The emphasis is on
>how little was paid even at the highest amount paid, $45 million, if
>that is what they paid, my uneducated guess.
>
>Love to talk to those who paid more than $45 million for LPTV
>stations, I have many to sell them in top markets today. This evening
>if possible. We can close by Monday evening for far less than $45
>million for a number of these.
>
>The Tigers just won it. Have to celebrate. Four more to go. Picked
>Detroit to win all games, no losses, thru World Series after their
>first win against the Yankees, second game. Four more wins to go.
>
>Bob Miller
>
>On 10/14/06, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Dazed and confused you are.
>>
>> Q paid Aloha partners $45 million for channel 55 somewhere on the West
>> Coast. I know of low power television stations in middle to large markets
>> that went for more than that. (With, by the way, no must-carry rights.)
>>
>> So, if I am understanding your economic arguments (always a stuggle with
>> your neo-Marxism), this would drive down the value of TV stations to
>> something akin to fallow frequencies.
>>
>
>> "What you think a channel is worth" is precisely equal to what you have
>> offered to pay for a 6 mhz channel. Have you ever won an auction? What did
>> you bid? If no, please multiply the amount you bid for a frequency segment
>> to get the 6 mhz value.
>>
>> I believe that we will find that you are b-sing still about value.
>>
>> John Willkie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Bob Miller <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Oct 14, 2006 4:19 PM
>> >To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: [opendtv] Re: FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER DEVICES ON
>> >VACANT TV CHANNELS
>> >
>> >That is what those Congressional critters are dreaming up. How to
>> >allow must carry with no connection to a broadcast license. If they
>> >could figure that one out the coming auction would be a lot bigger
>> >already IMO.
>> >
>> >Value depends on the tools allowed. If you know when you can use the
>> >spectrum, what you can do with it and the tools you can use you can
>> >figure out a price. What is Qualcomm's channel 55 worth? National
>> >coverage, 6 MHz, almost any use, almost any tool.
>> >
>> >A lot. I don't think they have a clue however. Too wedded to their
>> >cellular phone mentality. Sort or like expecting Microsoft to come up
>> >with Goggle first.
>> >
>> >The closest to real worth paid so far though would be what Qualcomm
>> >paid Aloha Partners for their license to the sixth segment of Channel
>> >55 covering the west coast. My guess, $45 million but that is not 10%
>> >of what I think it is worth.
>> >
>> >Bob Miller
>> >
>> >On 10/14/06, Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> Anybody know what a TV channel (bandwidth rights only) would be worth if
>> >> a stations were allowed to auction it off? And how about if they were
>> >> allowed to do it but somehow separately maintain must-carry rights for a
>> >> long period?
>> >>
>> >> - Tom
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bob Miller wrote:
>> >> > Somebody gets it! Be still my pacemaker (and numerous hospital type
>> >> > devices??)
>> >> >
>> >> > No one going to mention broadband over power lines or gas pipes? Of
>> >> > course neither of those will leak right?
>> >> >
>> >> > It looks like a full court press on OTA spectrum to me. Has since 2000.
>> >> >
>> >> > Like former Chairman Powell said in reference to the low numbers of
>> >> > viewers who still depend on OTA, "What are we protecting?"
>> >> >
>> >> > Doesn't look like they plan on protecting anything much. And what
>> >> > about that auction that is coming up? Many say it will dwarf the cell
>> >> > auction we just had that brought in $14 billion. So some upstart
>> >> > Congress-critter has to be day dreaming about just what channels 2-51
>> >> > would bring.
>> >> >
>> >> > The only fly in this ointment is the success that OTA is having over
>> >> > there, over just about any there. And this will all come to pass in
>> >> > early 2009??? Just after China shows off its new OTA at the Olympics
>> >> > in the summer of 2008.
>> >> >
>> >> > All the ammunition is dry and the pile is getting bigger. All someone
>> >> > has to do is lob in a small mortar round and we know what that looks
>> >> > like.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bob Miller
>> >> >
>> >> > On 10/13/06, flyback1 <flyback1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I see this as a not so subtle jab by the FCC at the free to air
>> >> >> broadcasters.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hunold, Ken wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Broadcasters *already* use this space, if only indirectly. Wireless
>> >> >> >microphones, for one, already use these frequencies in the TV band.
>> >> >> >This is a huge hornet's nest that has been kicked recently by these
>> >> >> >attempts to allow unlicensed devices to use these frequencies. There
>> >> >> >is
>> >> >> >much to suggest that these new devices will not play well with others.
>> >> >> >News, Sports, and Entertainment productions stand to be impacted
>> >> >> >greatly
>> >> >> >by this step. Just because there isn't a TV station operating on a
>> >> >> >frequency does not mean that it is "unused."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Ken Hunold
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >[mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> >> >> >On Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E
>> >> >> >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 4:08 PM
>> >> >> >To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >Subject: [opendtv] FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER DEVICES ON
>> >> >> >VACANT TV CHANNELS
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >A lot of positive opinions about this move to use the so-called TV
>> >> >> >white
>> >> >> >spaces, from each of the commissioners, is also available at
>> >> >> >http://www.fcc.gov/, under 12 October.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The going-in assumption seems to be that this "unused" space would be
>> >> >> >used by Internet broadband access providers, and it would be
>> >> >> >unlicensed.
>> >> >> >But heck, if it's available, then why don't broadcasters themselves go
>> >> >> >for it? Depending what the specifics are to be, e.g. on power limits,
>> >> >> >broadcasters might make good use of it too, no?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Are they permitted?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Bert
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-------------------------------------
>> >> >> >http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-267867A1.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: NEWS MEDIA CONTACT:
>> >> >> >October 12, 2006 Bruce Romano
>> >> >> >(202) 418-2470
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER
>> >> >> >DEVICES ON VACANT TV CHANNELS
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Washington, D.C. - The Commission today adopted a First Report and
>> >> >> >Order and Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking taking the first
>> >> >> >important steps toward allowing new low power devices to operate in
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >broadcast television spectrum at locations where channels in that
>> >> >> >spectrum are not in use by television stations or other authorized
>> >> >> >services. This action will enable the development of new and
>> >> >> >innovative types of devices and services for businesses and consumers.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >In the First Report and Order, the Commission concluded that fixed low
>> >> >> >power devices can be allowed to operate on TV channels in areas where
>> >> >> >those frequencies are not being used for TV or other incumbent
>> >> >> >licensed
>> >> >> >services. The Commission declined to permit operation on TV channel
>> >> >> >37
>> >> >> >that is used by radio astronomy and wireless medical telemetry
>> >> >> >services;
>> >> >> >and on TV channels 52-69, which have been reallocated for public
>> >> >> >safety
>> >> >> >and other mobile services. It also declined to permit the operation
>> >> >> >of
>> >> >> >personal/portable devices on TV channels 14-20, which are used by
>> >> >> >public
>> >> >> >safety service in 13 cities, leaving for further consideration the
>> >> >> >issue
>> >> >> >of whether fixed devices might be used in that band. Marketing of
>> >> >> >such
>> >> >> >devices may commence on February 18, 2009, after the digital
>> >> >> >television
>> >> >> >(DTV) transition is complete and all TV stations are in operation on
>> >> >> >their permanent DTV channels.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >In the Further Notice, the Commission invited further comment on a
>> >> >> >number of issues that were raised in response to the Notice of
>> >> >> >Proposed
>> >> >> >Rule Making. It solicited additional information that is needed to
>> >> >> >determine whether personal/portable devices can operate in any of the
>> >> >> >TV
>> >> >> >channels without causing harmful interference. It also invited
>> >> >> >comment
>> >> >> >to explore whether low power devices should be permitted on TV
>> >> >> >channels
>> >> >> >2-4, which are used by TV interface devices such as VCRs, and whether
>> >> >> >fixed low power devices can be permitted on TV channels 14-20.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The Commission made detailed technical proposals to facilitate use of
>> >> >> >a
>> >> >> >dynamic frequency selection (DFS) mechanism to ensure that TV band
>> >> >> >devices operate only on vacant TV channels. In addition, it sought
>> >> >> >further comment on implementation details for the geo-location and
>> >> >> >control signal interference avoidance approaches discussed in the
>> >> >> >Notice
>> >> >> >in this proceeding.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The Commission reaffirmed its commitment to developing a complete
>> >> >> >record
>> >> >> >to ensure that the final rules will protect TV broadcasting and other
>> >> >> >service against harmful interference. In particular, it invited
>> >> >> >parties
>> >> >> >to submit test results showing that TV band devices will not cause
>> >> >> >harmful interference. In addition, the Commission noted that it plans
>> >> >> >to conduct extensive testing itself to assess the potential
>> >> >> >interference
>> >> >> >from low power devices operating in the TV bands before adopting final
>> >> >> >rules.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The Commission also invited comment on the desirability of requiring
>> >> >> >licensing for devices operating in the TV bands. While the Commission
>> >> >> >noted that a majority of the commenters have expressed interest in
>> >> >> >operating low power devices in the TV bands on an unlicensed basis, it
>> >> >> >sought comments on the relative benefits of both the licensed and
>> >> >> >unlicensed approaches.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Action by the Commission October 12, 2006, by First Report and Order
>> >> >> >and
>> >> >> >Further Notice of Proposed Rule Making (FCC 06-156). Chairman Martin,
>> >> >> >Commissioners Copps, Adelstein, Tate, and McDowell. Separate
>> >> >> >statements
>> >> >> >issued by Chairman Martin, Commissioners Copps, Adelstein, Tate and
>> >> >> >McDowell.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Office of Engineering and Technology contact: Mr. Hugh L. Van Tuyl,
>> >> >> >(202) 418-7506, e-mail Hugh.VanTuyl@xxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >ET Docket Nos. 04-186 and 02-380.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >FCC-
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