[opendtv] Re: FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER DEVICES ON VACANT TV CH
- From: John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:29:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
You need to advance into this century, Bob. There are many hard-edged
engineers that I know that are starting to rave about being "able to watch
stations they could previously not watch" due to 5th generation (and purported
5th generation receivers.)
Could you provide a list of stations that transmit HDTV content along with
USDTV? You know, like at the same time?
There are only 19.39 mb/secs in an 8-vsb transport stream, after allowing for
overshoot and PSIP, that's about 18 mb/sec or less. Those stations
broadcasting HDTV (say, CBS) seem to believe that HDTV is something like 14
mb/sec or greater. Maybe you can get 5% more by stat muxing.
As the general would say, you appear to be "stuck on stupid."
John Willkie
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Miller <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Oct 14, 2006 4:42 PM
>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [opendtv] Re: FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER DEVICES ON
>VACANT TV CH
>
>People watch quality and with 8-VSB you can't even get it. Can't watch
>what isn't there.
>
>USDTV does not mean no HDTV. It means that the market will decide HDTV
>or no HDTV. USDTV could decide that it should deliver HDTV. If they
>can rent enough spectrum they can do that especially with MPEG4 AVC.
>Their landlords could decide that they will deliver HD and leave less
>spectrum for USDTV. It is all about choice. I don't think USDTV has a
>chance, never did. Just more money down the drain. Unless of course
>they have something new up their sleeve.
>
>Bob Miller
>
>On 10/14/06, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> But, the right modulation has been selected for the US, Canada, Mexico,
>> South Korea, and Australia. The choices there don't straitjacket
>> broadcasters, where all the other countries DO!
>>
>> USDTV means "NO HDTV." That's a non-starter, unless you are in a country
>> not listed above.
>>
>> It's not about modulation, it's about quality. People don't watch
>> modulation, and they tend to like quality. In countries other than those
>> listed above, they'll have to pay to watch HDTV.
>>
>> John Willkie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Bob Miller <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Oct 14, 2006 4:00 PM
>> >To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: [opendtv] Re: FCC TAKES STEPS TO ALLOW NEW LOW POWER DEVICES ON
>> >VACANT TV CH
>> >
>> >On 10/14/06, Albert Manfredi <bert22306@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> Bob Miller wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >No one going to mention broadband over power lines or gas
>> >> >pipes? Of course neither of those will leak right?
>> >>
>> >> My Dilbert daily calendar had one cartoon about Dilbert's company working
>> >> on
>> >> broadband over sewer lines. Is that the sort of thing we're talking about?
>> >>
>> >No, gas lines and power lines is what I was talking about but sewer
>> >lines are another option. There was or is or are companies doing or
>> >thinking of doing them all. The sewer option included a pig like in
>> >oil pipes to carry the fiber they lay there. I think gas lines are the
>> >best option of these.
>> >
>> >> >It looks like a full court press on OTA spectrum to me. Has since 2000.
>> >>
>> >> >The only fly in this ointment is the success that OTA is having over
>> >> >there, over just about any there. And this will all come to pass in
>> >> >early 2009??? Just after China shows off its new OTA at the Olympics
>> >> >in the summer of 2008.
>> >>
>> >> I'm afraid you're still missing the boat, Bob, because you continue to
>> >> think
>> >> that this is about modulation. Instead, it's all about how easy it is to
>> >> sucker the US buying public into subscription schemes.
>> >>
>> >I'm afraid you are missing the boat also Bert, it IS all about the
>> >modulation. With the right modulation a free OTA is a viable option.
>> >In the UK a free OTA is attracting former cable networks back to ad
>> >supported free OTA which is growing faster than anything else.
>> >
>> >Same would/could have happened here with the right modulation. Or
>> >maybe with one more try from USDTV 8-VSB will prove me wrong. NOT!
>> >USDTV is out of bankruptcy again. One more for the gipper.
>> >
>> >> *Precisely* the same thing is happening to so-called HD Radio. The tactics
>> >> used in your consumer electronics stores are identical, even though the
>> >> IBOC
>> >> radio system uses your cure-all modulation.
>> >>
>> >The tactics may be the same, is the outcome the same? I think that has
>> >not been decided.
>> >
>> >IBOC ismoch, in the end when enough 700 MHz or below spectrum is open
>> >for business you will see competition that will erase most of what we
>> >now call radio and TV whether satellite, telco, cable or whatever.
>> >
>> >It will be a different ballgame.
>> >
>> >The tigers are going to win this one and the next four against the
>> >Mets IMO. Rooting for the old home team this year. Happen to be in
>> >Michigan this week.
>> >
>> >> Read this article. It describes my experience with HD Radio, which also
>> >> describes my experience with DTT, to a T. Customers are always diverted
>> >> away
>> >> from the FTA options to yet another subscription scheme, and often are
>> >> completely mislead about the true costs. I've *always* had the salesman
>> >> try
>> >> to steer me over to satellite radio when asking about HD radio.
>> >>
>> >> http://beradio.com/eyeoniboc/radio_report_card_hd/
>> >>
>> >> IMO, to combat this white spaces regulation, what broadcasters should do
>> >> is
>> >> to get in there first, so as to ensure that whatever use this spectrum is
>> >> put to does not interfere with the broadcasts. Use it to offer Internet
>> >> access, use it for low power TV, use it for low power translators. In
>> >> other
>> >> words, play the game.
>> >>
>> >Not many of them got in there with Auctions 44 or 49 where pennies
>> >bought 700 MHz spectrum why would you expect them to get into spectrum
>> >that is free? They would have no edge, no government decree from
>> >trusted Congressional critters. They are all about government
>> >monopolies not free competition. Must carry and such.
>> >
>> >They are looking the other way while others will hit broadcast balls
>> >out of the park.
>> >
>> >Bob Miller
>> >
>> >> Bert
>> >
>> >
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