Craig Birkmaier wrote: > Please explain how legacy ATSC receivers can take advantage of > these extensions... Please explain how legacy IP devices could be extended to play streaming media, or to accept Ethernet over twisted pair vs. the original Ethernet over coax. Answer: sometimes you can get away with just a software update, other times you have to go out and buy a whole new PC. Streaming media, for example, would barely work on old PCs, and only if the material was audio only, at best. And twisted pair Ethernet required new NICs for PCs, at least, and new hubs and routers in the network. Please show me, Craig, where IEEE 802 protocols, or IP, or ATSC, either mandate or forbid that the equipment running them must or must not be software upgradeable. There are no such stipulations. You have created distinctions where differences don't exist. > The point is that millions of people were forced t buy ATSC receivers No one forced you to buy a TV, Craig. All the FCC said was, if you buy a TV appliance that incorporated a tuner in the past, it must now be ATSC as well as NTSC capable. It's obvious why. TV spectrum was going to be yanked away, and ATSC was the mechanism to do allow this. And the government did not say whether these TV sets and recording devices must be or must not be software upgradeable. > we could have at least based the system on what we knew about digital > standards. For example, by requiring conformance with the entire MPEG-2 > standard including yet to be created extensions. Oh? You mean, like computers are built to be extensible to all coming Internet innovations, or Ethernet innovations, or new codecs? The tell me, how come my PCs from the early 2000s cannot keep up with any of the Internet TV streaming media sites, Craig? How come the motion always looks jerky, like the processor is simply unable to keep up? > Not at all. We saw all this coming and the computers And all along, we knew that new PCs would be needed. Just like we know that to implement H.264 or H.265 in ATSC will require transitional STBs, or new TVs and recording devices. > But the telcos DID NOT use their copper plants to compete with cable; Yes they did. Verizon used ADSL over voice grade cable to compete with cable broadband. Other telcos *also* used their voice grade twisted pair to compete with cable TV distribution, via switched IPTV services (Uverse?). As I already explained, the telco voice grade copper is very bandwidth limited. compared with coax. > FIOS is a cable competitor. Yes, it can deliver high speed broadband > only, just like a cable system, but first and foremost it is a TV > service, and you are perhaps fortunate to live in one of the few > areas of the country where there is a third MVPD option. It is > unfortunate, however, that this third competitor has done NOTHING > competitive to help control the cost of MVPD service. But Craig. There's hardly any incentive, until perhaps just this past year, for any new entrant to lower its rates significantly, compared with incumbent MVPDs. Why should they? As you keep repeating, the overwhelming majority of consumers happily cave in to their demands. They'd be stupid to charge much less than MVPDs. Telcos are upgrading their plants, but this takes large capital expenditure. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.