John Shutt wrote: > I wonder if Jeff's experience would have been any different > in say, Sydney? I don't know about Sydney, but Rome? Paris? London? No, it wouldn't. Rabbit ears don't work at long ranges if power is low. It's that simple. With COFDM, reception will be more solid, perhaps, if there's enough signal, but it will be zero if there isn't adequate margin. I think the effect is that the digital cliff is steeper than here. Meaning, if you don't get reception very soon, you probably don't need to bother as much with antenna aiming, for better results. It just won't work. But again, even with a 3rd generation receiver, other people as well as I can manage solid reception with rabbit ears from a range of almost 50 miles (80 Km). And that's not just one station, either. The primary difference is power. In the Berlin SFN example, in the mabb report, indoor reception was considered likely only out to a 12 mile range from pattern center, for the relatively powerful Channel 44 (170 KW ERP total). With the 3 KW translators Bob is talking about, better be within ~4 miles, for indoor reception. The C/N margin of just over 15 dB required here is an advantage compared with 64-QAM, but not compared with 16-QAM used in the UK, Italy, and Germany. With 16-QAM and 2/3 FEC an 11 to 14 dB of C/N margin should be enough. But Sydney uses 64-QAM, I believe, so closer to 18 dB of C/N needed. But I wanted to say that in my experience, sure enough, immediately after a move, the stereo/TV setup is not my first priority either. My approach is to do just about everything else first, and leave my toys aside for a few days. When the basics are in place, then I take a breather and play with my toys. This works much better, for me, in part because you don't feel rushed. And that's because you don't get nagged. I have to agree with him, though, that Americans, among others, have probably lost patience with OTA. Still, a fair number of OTA users among DBS users in this area. So maybe after they're settled, they are willing to try again. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.