Hurricane Charley cut me off from the list for quite a while, but I am surprised that I have not seen much comment on the amendment of the A/53 ATSC Standard for Digital Television Broadcasting to make provision for E-8VSB robust transmissions. Is this because of a general feeling that there is virtually no interest in E-8VSB ever being used? Although I am not a coding expert, there are parts of the new standard that are perplexing to me. E-8VSB employs additional trellis coding, which can lower the SNR needed at threshold of visibility. But trellis coding is normally considered to increase intersymbol interference and so hinder performance under multipath reception conditions. Inadequate multipath performance supposedly is the major problem for urban reception using indoor antennas. So, it seems as though using a more restricted symbol alphabet with greater Euclidian distance between symbols would be a better approach to more robust transmission. More restricted symbol alphabets with substantially the same peak power to average power ratio as 8VSB do exist. MPEG-2 is supposedly the basic transport stream protocol for the robust transmissions as well as for the ordinary 8VSB transmissions. However, neither the outer nor the inner Reed-Solomon coding always extends over just a single MPEG-2 packet. This means that an indication of uncorrectable byte error in an R-S code is apt to disqualify not just one MPEG-2 packet of robust data, but rather a successive pair of such packets. The inner R-S coding of data segments containing 184 bytes of E-8VSB symbols is overhead that appears not to be very useful. The parity bytes of the inner R-S coding presumably consist of ordinary 8VSB symbols, so they are likely to be in error under the noise conditions that the robust transmission is supposed to withstand. Accordingly, these parity bytes are not very necessary to adequate performance of new DTV receivers. These parity bytes are not useful to legacy DTV receivers, which discard the data segments containing 184 bytes of E-8VSB symbols in any case. Al Limberg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.