On Feb 27, 2014, at 7:15 PM, "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Yes agreed so far. But this goes to the crux of our disagreements. > > 1. The ISPs are typically local monopolies, although hopefully 4G cellular > could change that. Cellular is also an oligopoly, and damn expensive at that. > So, as long as ISPs remain **strictly** standards-based and **strictly** > content-neutral, I can live with that. Just as I do with my electric and > water utilities. Same plumbing standards, same voltage and frequency > standards, same Ethernet and IP standards, no matter which of these utilities > you use. I don't have to go begging hat in hand to my power utility to buy a > light bulb, Craig. If you want those fancy new LED bulbs you can buy them Bert, they are just more expensive than a tungsten filament bulb. If you want exclusive content via the Internet you can buy it Bert, but you'll need to pay the going price of a MVPD subscription. > 2. The content owners compete over the neutral Internet medium and the > neutral OTA medium. And in stores like Target, Walmart, iTunes, Amazon Prime, and at the Redbox on the corner. But some of their most exclusive stuff is only available via a MVPD subscription. You can buy it from your local cable company, a DBS service, and in a few markets via a telco or Google. They deliver some of this stuff - HBOGo and Watch ESPN - over the neutral Internet too. But you cannot watch it because it requires authentication. > 3. But for those with MVPD subscriptions, the "video distribution" live > streams aspect is in practice a local monopoly. That's the only > non-standards-based monopoly in the bunch. Comcast and Cox Cable offer all of these streams to subscribers over the neutral Internet... For a price. > > No, it's not. The IP distribution medium has miraculously remained neutral > and standards-based, so that EVEN IF your ISP is an MVPD, the IP fraction of > its bandwidth is still usable by any standards-based IP appliance. Incredible > good fortune. Let's not pretend this is only a matter of semantics. And if you want to watch their exclusive content via the standards based ISP portion of their ISP networks you can... But you still need a subscription. Technology IS NOT the issue Bert. The business model is the issue. > >> content owners have maintained their oligopoly over multiple generations >> of technology. It will be no more difficult to move these oligopolies to >> the Internet, if all else stays the same. > > They are already on the Internet, Craig. You are ONLY talking about a matter > of degree. And indications are, from articles posted even by you, that even > hold-outs like ESPN are deliberating their future. Finally! Yes Bert, they are moving their oligopolies to your beloved Internet, where you STILL will need to pay for a MVPD subscription to watch on your beloved PC. Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.