[opendtv] Re: Digital radios outstrip analogue
- From: "Alan Roberts" <roberts.mugswell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:42:48 -0000
That's a very odd statement, "Who would be buying a 'radio'. No-one buys
them anymore."
Clearly from the sales statistics, people are buying them, and they're
selling well, that's what started this thread off. Radios are everywhere,
not just Dixons, Argos and Boots just for start. Why is it so hard to
believe that people are buying radios?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Koeleman" <donald.koeleman@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:56 PM
Subject: [opendtv] Re: Digital radios outstrip analogue
> Finally, after over a decade people are starting to buy them. But other
> issues come to play resulting in more digital radio's being sold than
analog
> ones. I would venture that these forces are bigger than the dab appeal.
> First of all, who would be buying a 'radio'. No-one buys them anymore.
It's
> either a receiver feeding/amplifying a audio/home entertainment system, or
> its an integrated audiosystem cd-player with build-in tuner. Secondly
> radio-reception devices are oblivious, with limited need for replacement.
> My impression is that by '85 the sales of radio's would have been down
> considerably, already. Perhaps another issue is that Dixons and its
> highstreet counterparts have gained in prominence and more traditional
> electronic retailers who did sell radio's back in the day are no-longer
> around to do so.
>
> And if you would be even more of a heretic, it wouldn't be DVB-H, but one
of
> the Asian DMB technologies...
>
> D.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dmenolan" <dmenolan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Open DTV list" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 6:19 PM
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: Digital radios outstrip analogue
>
>
> Hi Jeroen,
>
> I agree but there a) people who don't like the current bit rate at which =
> the services are run (between 128 and 192kb/s) b) although you see lots o=
> f DAB portables you never see a battery operated DAB radio c) although lo=
> ts of people do have excellent indoor antenna reception on a telescopic r=
> od, they generally reckon the current low power VHF Band III signals shou=
> ld be up to 9dB higher. Set against that my analogue FM is crap and the D=
> AB versions of the same stations are flawless: domestic harmony in the mo=
> rnings. d) Its very clear why it is a success: same business model as Fre=
> eview. New digital only stations, simulcast of existing services, no subs=
> cription and under =A399.
> Heretically if you were starting digital radio today you would NOT use Eu=
> reka 147: you would and some countries are planning to, use DVB-H as its =
> 6.8 times more efficient than DAB (spectrum occupancy+audio coding) and t=
> here will be scale economies from simultaneous deployment of DVB-H in cel=
> lular systems. Of course it too uses that notorious but highly industrial=
> ised and effective multicarrier system!!
> And, of course, DVB-H is probably better suited for battery operated digi=
> tal radios...
> Kind Regards,
>
> Dermot Nolan
>
> -------------Forwarded Message-----------------
>
> From: INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: , INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> =
>
> Date: 01/03/105 15:43 PM
>
> RE: [opendtv] Digital radios outstrip analogue
>
> =
>
> Hi, =
>
>
> See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4302459.stm
>
> "Sales of digital radios have outstripped the demand for traditional sets=
> =
>
> for the first time"
> "In total more radios are currently being sold in Dixons than in 1985." =
>
> "A century after Marconi's invention, the loud and clear message is that =
>
> radio is still a popular format. =
>
>
>
> Shows you what a multi carrier transmission system can do... ;-) =
>
>
> Greetings, =
>
> -- Jeroen =
>
>
> +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------=
> --+
> | From: Jeroen H. Stessen | E-mail: Jeroen.Stessen@xxxxxxxxxxx |
> | Building: SFJ-5.22 Eindhoven | Deptmt.: Philips Applied Technologies |=
>
> | Phone: ++31.40.2732739 | Visiting & mail address: Glaslaan 2 |
> | Mobile: ++31.6.44680021 | NL 5616 LW Eindhoven, the Netherlands |=
>
> | Pager: ++31.6.65133818 | Website: http://www.apptech.philips.com=
> / =
>
> |
> +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------=
> --+
>
>
> =
>
> =
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:
>
> - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at Fr=
> eeLists.org =
>
>
> - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word un=
> subscribe in the subject line.
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------- Internet Header --------------------------------
> Sender: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Received: from turing.freelists.org (freelists-180.iquest.net [206.53.239=
> .180])
> by siaag2ai.mx.compuserve.com (8.12.11/8.12.7/SUN-2.17) with ESMTP id j2=
> 1Fh1ec002709
> for <dmenolan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:43:01 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP =
> id 7F4317C02E;
> Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:42:52 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1])
> by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
> with ESMTP id 20551-06; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:42:52 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP =
> id F3CEA7BAE7;
> Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:42:51 -0500 (EST)
> Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list opendtv); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:42:23 =
> -0500 (EST)
> X-Original-To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Delivered-To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP =
> id 9084F7A602
> for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:42:23 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1])
> by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
> with ESMTP id 20351-07 for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:42:23 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from gw-eur4.philips.com (gw-eur4.philips.com [161.85.125.10])
> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP =
> id 5AF0E7BC14
> for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:42:23 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from smtpscan-eur5.philips.com (smtpscan-eur5.mail.philips.com =
> [130.144.57.168])
> by gw-eur4.philips.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C445B4971C
> for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:42:22 +0000 (UTC)
> Received: from smtpscan-eur5.philips.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> by localhost.philips.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105CDB8
> for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:42:22 +0000 (GMT)
> Received: from smtprelay-eur2.philips.com (smtprelay-eur2.philips.com [13=
> 0.144.57.171])
> by smtpscan-eur5.philips.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3F568
> for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:42:21 +0000 (GMT)
> Received: from ehvrmh02.diamond.philips.com (ehvrmh02-srv.diamond.philips=
> .com [130.139.27.125])
> by smtprelay-eur2.philips.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8093C
> for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:42:21 +0000 (GMT)
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Digital radios outstrip analogue
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.3 September 26, 2003
> Message-ID: <OFACC601B3.9D6AB182-ONC1256FB7.00558783-C1256FB7.0055E391@ph=
> ilips.com>
> From: jeroen.stessen@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:37:00 +0100
> X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ehvrmh02/H/SERVER/PHILIPS(Release 6.5=
> 3HF120 | November
> 19, 2004) at 01/03/2005 16:41:13,
> Serialize complete at 01/03/2005 16:41:13
> Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII
> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.7=
> 5c
> on siaag2ai.mx.compuserve.com
> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> X-archive-position: 6563
> X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
> Sender: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Errors-To: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> X-original-sender: jeroen.stessen@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Precedence: normal
> Reply-To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> X-list: opendtv
> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net
> X-Virus-Status: Clean
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:
>
> - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at
> FreeLists.org
>
> - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word
> unsubscribe in the subject line.
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:
>
> - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at
FreeLists.org
>
> - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word
unsubscribe in the subject line.
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:
- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at
FreeLists.org
- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word
unsubscribe in the subject line.
Other related posts:
