On 12/8/06, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Bob Miller wrote: > People in other countries migrated away from OTA also. And in those countries where people migrated in large numbers to cable, DTT is not a big deal. Including in Germany, it's not a big deal. Italy, France, UK, even Australia, are all heavy users of OTA TV. (And
by the way, the average guy in the street is just about as clueless on DTT in Italy as over here. In spite of the reported high penetration of DTT specifically in Sardegna.)
So the population can be clueless and you can still have a very successful DTV transition. That makes sense. The public doesn't care about modulation or any thing technical, only the product and the price point. Does it work, what's the price, what do I get. In the US the industry, retailers all say to the public, "it doesn't work, you don't get any more maybe less than what you got before and which you rejected and the price can be high in dollars, frustration etc." They say this by not advertising and promoting the OTA DTV product, by not offering products other than what is mandated. They may be saying to the public "don't invest in this since we think it may all change or go away".
> Both Germany and Japan have very high cable penetration. > Doesn't seem to affect the very successful rebirth of > OTA in either of these two since both countries are at > 30% and 35% penetration of households after less time > than the US has had with 8-VSB. First of all, I question those figures. I have no idea how successful ISDB is in Japan, for example.
Maybe you question them because I offered no source. Here are a few. Japan http://www.dibeg.org/techp/061101_dibeg_i.pdf This one shows 14 million receivers sold as of 9/06. October, November and December are their biggest sales months so I believe they will hit 17 million by the end of the year. They have 48 million households. Not bad for a country that has only been doing OTA DTV since December of 2003 or three years ago. Most sales are also for integrated plasma, recorders, cable STBs and LCDs . Serious business and all the things you want for the US market. Here is another source. http://www.dibeg.org/news/news-5/news-e5.htm#dn066e Notice that at the end of June they had sold 12 million receivers and in the first source they had sold 14 million by the end of Sept. 2 million in 3 months. They will sell at least 3 million in the fourth quarter and maybe quite a few more for 17 million plus. And that all in three years with low power transmitters in only parts of the country. Now they have 84% of households covered and I predict that next year they will sell 6 million receivers for a total of 23 million receivers. 4 years, 23 million receivers, mostly integrated in a country of 48 million households. Germany http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/germany/ This article says 5 million receivers end of October. 5.5 now IMO. They have 16 million households. And all those households are not covered yet and most of the country was not covered for most of the time since they started in Dec 2002. When they do start broadcasting in an area they then shut down analog within months though. Now that most of the country is covered we should see some accelleration also as is continuing to happen in the UK. But the most explosive is France where they have over 20% penetration of covered households in 18 months (March 31st 2005). About 6.3 million receivers sold to date IMO. 26 million households, 58.5% coverage. They could sell more than a million more by the end of the year at the rate they are going. If they just match past sales till the end of March 2007 they will hit 8 million and in reality they will be closer to 9 million. Two years, 9 million in a nation of 26 million households with only, by then, 65% of households covered by any signal. In the US that would be like having sold 37 million OTA DTV receivers sold from 1998 till 2000. Only maintaining that rate for another 7 years or until 12/31/06, the US would have seen the sale of 129.7 million OTA DTV receivers. Will France see the equivalent number of OTA DTV receivers sold in the next 7 years. No they will see MORE than an equivalent number sold. The equivalent would be like 1.2 receivers per household. France will have 2 or more OTA receivers per household in 7 years. In the US that would be like 220 million OTA DTV receivers sold by now. My prediction was always that by now the US would have more OTA DTV receivers than households or more than 110 million if we had adopted DVB-T in 2000. http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/france/ DTT penetration nearing 10% According to a study published by Médiamétrie, 9.7% of French households are equipped to receive DTT services. The count included people over five years of age with access to DTT receivers or receivers equipped with adapters enabling them to access 18 channels of DTT and this amounted to 5.525 million people. The study took place form the 4th to 29th October this year. Source: Reuters Item added: 14th November 2006 DTT coverage to increase to 65% of the population DTT coverage in France will increase to 65% of the population by the end of October 2006. Currently, DTT services are available to 58.5% of the population.
Secondly, and most importantly, in all these DTT countries, what they are offering is regular TV. Yes, a greater choice of channels, but regular TV. EXACTLY what ATSC, even without A-VSB, is quite capable of doing. So all the stuff about mobility, or other excuses, is just noise. If anything, due to the low power they are using in France, Italy, and the UK, mobile DVB-T is highly doubtful. So let's quit harping on irrelvant things.
If ATSC were capable of doing this it would be happening. I contend that ATSC is incapable of doing this and the evidence is that it is not happening.
You should look at what the meaningful differences are. For example, how many TV channels are offered over German cable systems, compared with what is offered over their new DTT scheme? It is this sort of thing that makes a difference. Instead, you obsess over the modulation type.
And I will continue to. You want to continue to talk of what IS being offered with ATSC and compare it to what is being offered in other countries OTA. I will continue to say that with a decent modulation what is offered in the US OTA would change.
People here, with new ATSC-capable sets, do use them. It would be nice to have those numbers, but already two of my friends at work have done this recently, as they have bought new integrated sets.
You are saying that your two friends bought integrated sets. Do they use them for OTA recepetion at all? Do they use them for OTA reception exclusively? Are they forced to use OTA because satellite can't deliver some channels? Yes what are the numbers and why can't we find them. Maybe the numbers are so small that they can't be found. Sort of like a Higgs particle.
The other thing to consider is promotion. I listen to FM radio. I am amazed at the level of promotion their new digital stations get on the air. I think groups like Bonneville Broadcasting are doing a super job. I cannot say the same for TV, although I was happy to see CW 54 in Baltimore, a Sinclair station, promoting their music video multicast. Good for them.
In economics it is hard to have a vacuum. Any opportunity will be filled very quickly by the actions of free enterprise. The lack of promotion suggest that their is no vacuum here. That there is no opportunity. The modulation is the problem. A better codec would also help. A good modulation would make free OTA viable, a better codec would increase its value by some factor of at least 2. Bob Miller
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