On 12/6/06, Albert Manfredi <bert22306@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Bob Miller wrote: >Well six or seven years later we can look back and see that >OTA DTV with 8-VSB did not drive sales of HDTV sets. That's because from the late 1980s, when advanced TV was being considered, to today, the majority of people went like zombies to pay services. The OTA element is not the significant driver of new TVs. HDTVs are being sold now primarily because they are flat and have bigger screens, are far less bulky, and have nicer, sharper, more contrasty pictures.
But we know that. HDTV sets are being sold to watch DVDs, to play games, because they fit the decor, because they are flat, sexy, you name it. At least 60% of them for such reasons since they don't have any HD imput.
You keep missing the point that HDTV is thriving, people are buying them, and it doesn't need to depend on OTA access. Even if the majority are still not seeing true HD sources, they are satisfied initiallly with the improvement provided by the deinterlaced displays. And they are excited by the true HD pictures, especially the sports fans, and want them in their homes. Don't you spend any time in stores?
Sound like the sale of HDTV sets is thriving not HD, or at least HD is thriving a lot less than the sale of HDTV sets. And IMO HDTV sales are thriving at a much lower rate than they would be if we had a viable OTA DTV transition.
>we have around 7% who still depend on OTA for TV. More like 30+ percent overall. But what's your point?
Define overall. I contend that 7% depend on OTA. Tell me why I should think it is 30%. Haven't heard that figure, in fact haven't heard any figures except the one I deduced. Please tell me more about these pathetic creatures, all 30% of them that still depend on OTA in your opinion.
>Who then is getting their HD fix from OTA? I am. And people with satellite who want HD network shows. Again, what's your point? They quit OTA long years before any DTT reception difficulties may have arisen.
My point is absent anyone using the OTA spectrum why not sell it off? That is what Congress is going to be thinking after the analog turnoff and all the media attention is focused on the pathetic numbers that will be very public then about who is using OTA DTV.
>What if we had talked about doing a multicast DTV They do that too. WETA-DT has 4 real multicasts. WMPT-DT has 2 real multicasts for now, but plan for 4. A PAX station has 6. Mark Aitken's Fox affiliate has 2 multicasts. The CW affiliates have 2 multicasts. Most other stations have at least a weather channel as a second multicast. I didn't count those as "real."
Nor do I but I am talking about multiple stations in a market offering say 30 channels like in the UK with HD thrown in cutting the number of channels for prime time in demand shows. And maybe this could be promoted. Can't happen with 8-VSB IMO.
In any event, what's your point? With cable and DBS, they got their multiple channels anyway. They did not depend on DTT, by 1998, when DTT began broadcasting, to get a zillion channels. >I would bet that OTA would have driven HD far more than it has. I'll bet you're quite wrong. Most people had already gone lock step into cable and DBS by the time DTV and HDTV sets became affordable. DTT simply came too late to make a difference in DTV or HDTV sales, in the US. >One thing I do know, 8-VSB has DELAYED HDTV sales. Not even by a microsecond, IMO. If anything, it is cable and DBS that delayed decent ATSC receivers. So I trhink you are 180 degrees out. Had the sale of DTV/multicast-capable receivers and HDTV products depended on ATSC, we would not have had to wait 4 years to barely get to see the very first 5th gen STB on store shelves. Oh wait, I haven't even seen one yet, in the flesh. It will probably be 5 years by the time I see one. (March 2002 was the Linx lab demo.) Anyway, we now have integrated sets everywhere, so even that isn't a problem. Most people here use pay TV, so no matter what OTA modulation scheme there is, DTV sales don't depend on DTT. Besides, integrated sets are everywhere already, at great prices. If there is any problem left, it is that I can't yet buy a decent DTT recording device. Because people have been suckered into paying the extra rent for the proprietary variety offered by pay services. How obnoxious is that? I think you need to get off this modulation excuse. It doesn't hold up to logic.
It is the only logic that holds up IMO. Japan started OTA DTV HDTV in December 2003 and they will have sold 17 million receivers by Christmas or 35% of households. NO MANDATE. Most of these receivers come in integrated HDTV sets. And they did not even have that great a coverage for quite some time. Only last week they got to 84% of households. http://www.dibeg.org/techp/061101_dibeg_i.pdf And the people that bought them buy them to use them for OTA HDTV reception unlike in the US where people don't even know they bought one. If we had chosen DVB-T/H and started with a multicast of many SD programs with whatever HD for primetime in 2000 by now we would have sold more OTA receivers than we have households. That is if we only did as good as the UK has been doing since December of 2002. The modulation is everything. Bob Miller
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