I've been trying to find performance mesurements, or at least predictions, for DVB-T2. I found this viewgraph presentation from the RAI Research Center: http://www.fub.it/public/Morello020408B.pdf The part on expected performance is in slide 35. To be considered in this slide is that it ignores the effect of GI and the existence of active pilots, so the numbers can perhaps even better be used to estimate the performance of the updated FEC scheme on a potential ATSC2 upgrade. The effect is quite good. For DVB-T2, they went from a viterbi code to low density parity check (LDPC). You'll note in that slide that 256-QAM is somewhat less robust at bit rates where a decision of using 256-QAM or using 64-QAM with less FEC, can be made. These are the regions of overlap. But conversely, when it comes to 64-QAM vs 16-QAM, the overlap is hard to detect. This means that 64-QAM with a stronger FEC scheme works just as well as 16-QAM with a weaker FEC, in terms of robustness vs bit rate. So applied to ATSC, if the FEC scheme were changed from the current viterbi to LDPC, on the same 8-VSB constellation, we should see results exactly the same as those in slide 35. Pretty good stuff. At the same 3.3 b/s/Hz we use now, the C/N margin would go down from 15 dB or so we get now, to about 11.3 dB of C/N, and the Shannon limit is 10.47 dB of C/N. Less than 1 dB of difference. (Their Shannon curve appears to be drawn slightly off.) In fact, just making the best combined use of the existing trellis and RS code would probably be good for 13 dB of C/N margin, without making any changes to the transmission standard. Alternatively, for more usable bit rate, the existing 2/3 trellis FEC could be reduced to a 4/5 LDPC code, which would raise spectral efficiency to 4.5 b/s/Hz, providing 24.2 Mb/s in the same 5.38 MHz channel, with the same 15 dB of C/N we have now. My impression is that reducing the C/N margin in ATSC is not something broadcasters would want, so I don't think there's any big payoff in attempting 16T-VSB. In fact, looking at that slide, I don't see too much advantage, in terms of spectral efficiency, going to 256-QAM. The advantage seems to be only to get the long guard intervals for more practical SFNs, at a price of higher needed C/N margins. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.