Do you type simply to hear the keys click? "somehow already" found in a data stream. You mean random bits? Or does "already" mean that it was only transmitted before I connected her set to the cable? THE QUESTION, my dear Tom, is how her set updated itself. Some questions for you to ponder. 1.) Did the data come through the power cord? 2.) Was it magic? 3.) Did the televisión set hear me cussing and calling it dirty names while manually adding channels after three failed channel scans, and decided on it's own to straighten up and fly right? 4.) Did some alien come down overnight an do an anal probe on the television set to set it right? 5.) Was it a conspiracy? Did I miss any other idiotic possibility? It's possible that man-in-the-moon marigolds last for years when put in a vase filled 3/4 of the way to the top with a mixture of paint thinner and Jack Daniels, but it's not likely. Using occam's razor, the data came through some publicly-defined protocol that permits updating of firmware in television sets. Adam pointed out that cable supports A/97. And, here's an odd idea: that's EXACTLY the functionality provided by A/97. To me, that's the only rational possibility for the new functionality. I leave the irrational to you and Bert. John Willkie, who recommends highly not gargling with Boone's farm while writing emails. Just in case there's some confustion, I haven't imbibed alcohol in more than 24 years. -----Mensaje original----- De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Tom Barry Enviado el: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:54 PM Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [opendtv] Re: DTV awareness Though it is also possible that the options presented are not new functionality but just things somehow already found in a data stream, not present when she first got the set. - Tom John Willkie wrote: > I said nothing about PBS, although KPBS has been broadcasting A/97 for more > than three years. (I first saw the packets more than three years ago, in > two streams) > > I am saying that when she bought the tv, there were two scanning options. > Now there are three. And, the title of that third option changed from > "Cable 1hr." one day to "Cable 1hour" two days later. > > I can say that the tv has been connected to cable exclusively since a few > minutes after it was plugged in and that it has no Internet connection. > > I guess it's possible that the tv added functionality more than a few hours > after being connected to cable, but I won't draw any conclusions about the > exact method it followed until I see the transport streams. > > I did make a list of the patents the Funai/Sylvania tv claimed to be in > compliance with, but I just looked for the list and couldn't find it. > > It isn't impossible that Cox is participating in a test, but until I see the > packets, I can't draw a conclusion. > > The packets I have seen on KPBS-DT were in a separate program, most recently > called UpdateT. Unless they've reconfigured that, it wouldn't have been in > channels 15-1 or 15-2. > > I think I can conclude that the new functionality didn't come through the > power cord, and I know the option appeared after the initial scan, because I > tried all options in the original scans, because it didn't work and I had to > spend more than an hour manually discovering channels. > > Did I point out that design of most TV sets occurs in San Diego? Did I > point out that it's not a coincidence that KPBS-DT aired UpdateTV services > some time before the commercial launch? Have I pointed out that local > broadcasters get calls from Sony, Sanyo, Panasonic, et al about oddities in > their PSIP and transport streams? > > All I can safely report is the added functionality. Channel scans now work, > and they didn't before, and they only work using a scan option that arrived > some time after the tv was first installed and configured. > > John Willkie > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En > nombre de Ron Economos > Enviado el: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:49 AM > Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Asunto: [opendtv] Re: DTV awareness > > That seems a little far-fetched to me. You're saying that: > > 1) There's a PBS station (or any station) sending A/97 packets in San > Diego/TJ > 2) That Cox is passing on the A/97 packets > 3) That your Mom's TV is A/97 compliant > 4) That the manufacturer has supplied #1 with an update. > 5) All of the above conditions are true > > Does Cox replicate the A/97 packets on all QAM channels, or > do you have to tune to the PBS QAM channel to get the update? > > Ron > > John Willkie wrote: > >> And, here's something new. When I first did a digital channel scan, it >> couldn't find any; I had to do a manual search. The last time I ran a > scan, >> NOT ONLY had a new "Cable 1hr" scan option been installed, but it found all >> the channels I had programmed, and more. Perhaps I need to explain what >> happened for the folks on Roosevelt Island. The TV set -- through the QAM >> tuner -- downloaded and installed a new scan option. Without her paying a >> cent, other than her basic analog cable monthly fee. (Which she has > thought >> was too expensive for more than 42 years.) >> >> Think your set top box can update a television set? I know it "would be >> difficult" via a RGB connection. >> >> John Willkie >> >> >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > -- Tom Barry trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.