Craig Birkmaier wrote: > Anyone can access the sites Bert. But your username and password are > specific to an MVPD, and the content owners only allow access to > systems that they have licensed. That's not strictly true. The content owners allow any PC, new or old, the old ones without HDMI or any sort of disk encryption of TV content, to display whatever content the content owner decides to provide on their own or on third party portals. The content owners have occasionally gotten their panties twisted up in knots, when some device maker was getting too greedy, or too hyped up, like GoogleTV. But that particular case was understandable, from their point of view, and it's easy for an equipment maker to avoid the problem. If LG embeds a low-cost processor and web browser(s) in their sets TODAY, making sure that any external video output be either HDMI or SD RGB, for example, they don't have to collude with the congloms or the MVPDs. And they CERTAINLY wouldn't have to collude to carry specific shows. > We've been over this. They did this with PCs more than a decade ago. They did not individually collude with each PC maker, Craig. No. And mobile devices are only different to the extent that their designers make them different. Once again, the Surface Pro is not different. Device makers can either create problems for themselves to the maximum extent possible, as Apple did, or they can conform with design approaches that were already acceptable before. > You can buy or rent bits to download from Apple, Amazon and others, > but these too are heavily protected. Different discussion. Certainly, the content stores need to negotiate for the content individually, and need to agree on measures for protecting the content. That's because the congloms need to control who is selling their stuff. To me, these are very different discussions. You seem to lump them together. > If device makers wanted to put a PC into every TV they could. They do > not for several reasons: Doesn't have to be a literal PC, Craig. It can be a thin client, using one of several low-cost processors on the market, for example. The key point being only that the DRM rules that apply to PCs be made to apply equally in this case. Cost should not be an issue. The OS should not be an issue either. Linux could be an excellent, low-cost choice. Or roll your own. There are PLENTY of young geeks around, who would gladly work for LG or Samsung, or anyone else, and design such TV sets. The UI is very important. To me, anything that can minimize this dependency on separate "apps" would have huge competitive advantage. Maybe eventually the teaming masses will get this. I disagree that this is so hard to do. > You have no credibility on this Bert. You cannot say it is important to > have next day access to shows in one breath, Your credibility is always in jeopardy, Craig, when you don't read what people write. I NEVER SAID it was important, for VOD, to have next day access. I was merely contradicting *YOUR* comment, that unless you have MVPD subscription, you won't have quick access. In the case of NBC and CBS, you were factually wrong. Plus, what authentication methods are acceptable are no longer JUST an MVPD subscription, in some cases. Whatever limitations the content owner imposes across the board, on online content, are of course HIS business. If device makers choose to make a royal pain in the *ss of themselves, by deliberately NOT accepting the standards that the online portals support now, that's THEIR problem. Don't blame the congloms. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.